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Zelensky ordered Ukrainian forces out of Donbas? (Original Post) triron Oct 2019 OP
Protests in the Ukraine. triron Oct 2019 #1
Yes..I was going to speculate on this and the Steinmeier formula asiliveandbreathe Oct 2019 #3
Hmmm. I think there's more here but I guess we will see soon (hopefully). triron Oct 2019 #5
KYIVPost...today.... asiliveandbreathe Oct 2019 #8
He may be onto something, eh? triron Oct 2019 #10
Whoa !!! uponit7771 Oct 2019 #12
I really do feel for these people! bluestarone Oct 2019 #2
K&R Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #4
Had some suspicions about Zelensky as some kind of Trojan horse lostnfound Oct 2019 #6
Wow! triron Oct 2019 #7
WTH???!!!! Nevermypresident Oct 2019 #9
OH NO! Lulu KC Oct 2019 #11
Wonder if he compromised himself while talking to Trump TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #13
A nibble here (Crimea), a little bite there (Donbas) Glorfindel Oct 2019 #14
That would explain Trump putting out that part of his phone convo... lame54 Oct 2019 #15

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
3. Yes..I was going to speculate on this and the Steinmeier formula
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:13 PM
Oct 2019

(Bloomberg) -- Talks to end the five-year conflict in eastern Ukraine produced the first major breakthrough since a lapsed 2015 peace accord, paving the way for an international summit to cement progress.

Negotiators meeting Tuesday in the Belarusian capital of Minsk agreed on a schedule under which elections will be held in the breakaway regions and a new law will be passed granting them special status. The plan was proposed by Frank-Walter Steinmeier when he was Germany’s foreign minister and is known as the Steinmeier formula.

the people affected..don't like it ? - Zelinski sold them out?..just speculating...

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
8. KYIVPost...today....
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:22 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/bezsmertny-calls-not-to-sign-steinmeier-formula.html

Roman Bezsmertny, former Ukraine’s representative in the working subgroup on political issues of the Trilateral Contact Group (TCG) for resolving the situation in the east of the country, has posted a text of the document on the elections in Donbas (under the Steinmeier formula), which was drafted on behalf of the TCG for the heads of Normandy Four countries. He said it was unacceptable to sign it.

At the same time, on his other Facebook page, where Bezsmertny also published this document, the politician explained why he categorically urged representatives of Ukraine not to sign it.

“Danger! In any case, the Ukrainian side cannot sign it in Minsk! It cannot be viewed in the Normandy format either. This is an election according to the Kremlin scenario. This is an election to legitimize the ‘power’ in the occupied territory! This piece of paper will not ensure peace, it won’t decide socially humanitarian problems!” he wrote.




lostnfound

(16,184 posts)
6. Had some suspicions about Zelensky as some kind of Trojan horse
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:20 PM
Oct 2019

The ease of his election and having no political history, an actor, all seemed very odd.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
14. A nibble here (Crimea), a little bite there (Donbas)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:35 PM
Oct 2019

and pretty soon there will be nothing left of Ukraine but Kiev and the Chernobyl radioactive wasteland. Very sad, but Ukraine's loss is Russia's gain, right? Hail, Putin!

lame54

(35,294 posts)
15. That would explain Trump putting out that part of his phone convo...
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

The rest of it is probably far worse

He just didn't see impeachment coming

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