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Odd markings, ellipses fuel doubts about the "rough transcript" of Trumps Ukraine call
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Odd markings, ellipses fuel doubts about the "rough transcript" of Trump's Ukraine call (Original Post)
mahatmakanejeeves
Oct 2019
OP
Ellipses are rows of periods usually used to indicate words were omitted.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Oct 2019
#3
The words (even those claimed to be Zelenskyy's) are entirely in Trumpish.
lagomorph777
Oct 2019
#17
The whistleblower's lawyer drew attention to the ellipses over a week ago
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2019
#12
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)1. What does that mean? What are ellipses?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,867 posts)3. Ellipses are rows of periods usually used to indicate words were omitted.
jcgoldie
(11,647 posts)7. Pfft
Everyone knows thats a "hyphen"!
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)2. I don't have a subscription. Can you give some details?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,867 posts)4. More:
But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an official word-for-word transcript" of the call words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out.
Current and former U.S. officials studying the document pointed to several elements that, they say, indicate that the document may have been handled in an unusual way.
Those include the use of ellipses punctuation indicating that information has been deleted for clarity or other reasons that traditionally have not appeared in summaries of presidential calls with foreign leaders, according to the current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the elaborate, non-public process.
Current and former U.S. officials studying the document pointed to several elements that, they say, indicate that the document may have been handled in an unusual way.
Those include the use of ellipses punctuation indicating that information has been deleted for clarity or other reasons that traditionally have not appeared in summaries of presidential calls with foreign leaders, according to the current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the elaborate, non-public process.
malaise
(269,182 posts)6. So they used ellipses rather than
the usual redacting
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)9. Thank you! Remember, 20 minutes of the call are missing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)16. We've only seen the least terrible parts of the call.
The ellipses are hiding the really bad shit.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,620 posts)5. Nope. I'm on dial-up. Yes, really.
I cannot view the article. Someone will come along.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)8. Apparently the transcript is half the length
of the actual call. Just imagine what they're hiding.
BumRushDaShow
(129,526 posts)10. Wow... looks like they got a sortof forensic analysis of that transcript
/snip
The White House summary of Trumps 30-minute call with Zelensky which included interpreters because Zelensky spoke Ukrainian while Trump spoke English includes fewer than 2,000 words, or roughly 65 words per minute. That suggests that the rough transcript of the Zelensky call includes about half the number of words that would be expected if the call had proceeded at the same or similar pace as the previous calls. It was unclear whether the interpretation of the Zelensky call occurred simultaneously as the presidents were speaking or took place after a participant had finished speaking. The latter would have affected the speed of the conversation.
(Neither the Turnbull nor the Peña Nieto transcript included ellipses.)
The record of the presidential call with Zelensky, which is labeled MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION, was marked as having been produced by note-takers in the White House Situation Room, as is standard for calls with foreign leaders. The record, however, is unusual for lacking a tracking number that would normally indicate it had been circulated to senior subject experts and the national security advisers office for review and edits. Instead of a package number, the memo released by the White House carries a stamp saying: PkgNumberShort.
The document additionally carries classification markings that Situation Room staffers do not normally add when they create a word-for-word transcript, current and former officials said. I thought to myself, This didnt go through the normal process, said one former government official who was among several who handled these records and found the document released by the White House curious.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/
The White House summary of Trumps 30-minute call with Zelensky which included interpreters because Zelensky spoke Ukrainian while Trump spoke English includes fewer than 2,000 words, or roughly 65 words per minute. That suggests that the rough transcript of the Zelensky call includes about half the number of words that would be expected if the call had proceeded at the same or similar pace as the previous calls. It was unclear whether the interpretation of the Zelensky call occurred simultaneously as the presidents were speaking or took place after a participant had finished speaking. The latter would have affected the speed of the conversation.
(Neither the Turnbull nor the Peña Nieto transcript included ellipses.)
The record of the presidential call with Zelensky, which is labeled MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION, was marked as having been produced by note-takers in the White House Situation Room, as is standard for calls with foreign leaders. The record, however, is unusual for lacking a tracking number that would normally indicate it had been circulated to senior subject experts and the national security advisers office for review and edits. Instead of a package number, the memo released by the White House carries a stamp saying: PkgNumberShort.
The document additionally carries classification markings that Situation Room staffers do not normally add when they create a word-for-word transcript, current and former officials said. I thought to myself, This didnt go through the normal process, said one former government official who was among several who handled these records and found the document released by the White House curious.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/
I bet those "elipses" represent some Rose Mary Woods-style "missing minutes" of communications!
2naSalit
(86,798 posts)11. Huh... guess those notes were
taken by John Barron, perhaps.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)17. The words (even those claimed to be Zelenskyy's) are entirely in Trumpish.
So evidently Trump dictated it. That document is what Trump considers "perfect."
Imagine what's in the real version.
2naSalit
(86,798 posts)18. Guess we'll find out...
or at least the appropriate House Committees will find out when they get the info from that secret server.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,367 posts)12. The whistleblower's lawyer drew attention to the ellipses over a week ago
SKKY
(11,823 posts)13. Look at the first page, last paragraph, and read everything after the word "Caution:"
Duh.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)14. I'm sure the ellipses and redactions
are all perfectly fine, since it was a Perfect call.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,221 posts)15. Kick