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Odd markings, ellipses fuel doubts about the "rough transcript" of Trump's Ukraine call (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2019 OP
What does that mean? What are ellipses? redstateblues Oct 2019 #1
Ellipses are rows of periods usually used to indicate words were omitted. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #3
Pfft jcgoldie Oct 2019 #7
I don't have a subscription. Can you give some details? Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #2
More: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #4
So they used ellipses rather than malaise Oct 2019 #6
Thank you! Remember, 20 minutes of the call are missing. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #9
We've only seen the least terrible parts of the call. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #16
Nope. I'm on dial-up. Yes, really. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2019 #5
Apparently the transcript is half the length C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #8
Wow... looks like they got a sortof forensic analysis of that transcript BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10
Huh... guess those notes were 2naSalit Oct 2019 #11
The words (even those claimed to be Zelenskyy's) are entirely in Trumpish. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #17
Guess we'll find out... 2naSalit Oct 2019 #18
The whistleblower's lawyer drew attention to the ellipses over a week ago muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #12
Look at the first page, last paragraph, and read everything after the word "Caution:" SKKY Oct 2019 #13
I'm sure the ellipses and redactions NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #14
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #15

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,867 posts)
4. More:
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 08:36 PM
Oct 2019
But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an “official word-for-word transcript" of the call — words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday — creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out.

Current and former U.S. officials studying the document pointed to several elements that, they say, indicate that the document may have been handled in an unusual way.

Those include the use of ellipses — punctuation indicating that information has been deleted for clarity or other reasons — that traditionally have not appeared in summaries of presidential calls with foreign leaders, according to the current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the elaborate, non-public process.

BumRushDaShow

(129,526 posts)
10. Wow... looks like they got a sortof forensic analysis of that transcript
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:51 PM
Oct 2019
/snip

The White House summary of Trump’s 30-minute call with Zelensky — which included interpreters because Zelensky spoke Ukrainian while Trump spoke English — includes fewer than 2,000 words, or roughly 65 words per minute. That suggests that the rough transcript of the Zelensky call includes about half the number of words that would be expected if the call had proceeded at the same or similar pace as the previous calls. It was unclear whether the interpretation of the Zelensky call occurred simultaneously as the presidents were speaking or took place after a participant had finished speaking. The latter would have affected the speed of the conversation.

(Neither the Turnbull nor the Peña Nieto transcript included ellipses.)

The record of the presidential call with Zelensky, which is labeled “MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION,” was marked as having been produced by note-takers in the White House Situation Room, as is standard for calls with foreign leaders. The record, however, is unusual for lacking a tracking number that would normally indicate it had been circulated to senior subject experts and the national security adviser’s office for review and edits. Instead of a “package” number, the memo released by the White House carries a stamp saying: “PkgNumberShort.”

The document additionally carries classification markings that Situation Room staffers do not normally add when they create a word-for-word transcript, current and former officials said. “I thought to myself, ‘This didn’t go through the normal process,’ ” said one former government official who was among several who handled these records and found the document released by the White House curious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/


I bet those "elipses" represent some Rose Mary Woods-style "missing minutes" of communications!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
17. The words (even those claimed to be Zelenskyy's) are entirely in Trumpish.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 01:57 PM
Oct 2019

So evidently Trump dictated it. That document is what Trump considers "perfect."

Imagine what's in the real version.

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
18. Guess we'll find out...
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:57 PM
Oct 2019

or at least the appropriate House Committees will find out when they get the info from that secret server.

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