General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Giuliani Is at Risk of Criminal Exposure": Why His Ukrainian Adventure Could End His Legal Career
Rudy Giuliani pursued the presidency twice and never came anywhere close to becoming a contender. His official campaign for the nomination in 2008 and his exploratory effort in 2012 burned through more than $65 million and won (at most) one Republican delegate. Yet Giuliani has somehow made himself into a central figureand perhaps an indispensable oneenabling and shaping the presidency of Donald Trump. He has turned up as a key player during the three most important moments of Trumps political career: In late October 2016, when he fanned the flames around Hillary Clintons email imbroglio; for much of 2018 and 2019, when he became Trumps personal lawyer and helped talk the president out of being questioned by special counsel Robert Mueller; and now, as Trumps freelance muscle and investigator in Ukraine, trying to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.
For anyone who lived through Giulianis two terms as mayor of New York City, his pivotal, histrionic place in the Trump drama is both mind-blowing and totally consistent: A small man in search of a balcony, in the words of the immortal Jimmy Breslin. Giulianis current role has roots in his long-running animosity toward Hillary Clinton, who won the U.S. Senate seat Giuliani desired way back in 2000. Now the extended ripples of that fixation, which seem to include an eagerness to exonerate Paul Manafort, may end up sinking both Giuliani and his White House client.
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, has been tracking Giulianis involvement in Ukraine for months, long before a whistle-blower came forward with detailed allegations in August. All of [what Giuliani has said about it] is damaging, incriminating, and worrisome, Murphy told me on Monday. Its unprecedented to have the president running a parallel foreign policy operation through his campaign. This is totally unacceptable, to have the presidents political fixer openly bragging about coordinating with the State Department. You have to have some kind of wall between the White House and the reelection campaign, and the president is openly conflating the two. In Ukraine, its not surprising that theyre very confused about whether to treat Giulianis overtures as official U.S. policy or not.
Murphy traveled to Kiev in early September andalong with Republican Senator Ron Johnsonmet with Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky. On Wednesday, at the United Nations, Trump accused Murphy of threatening Zelensky in that conversation. I raised for [Zelensky] the danger of Ukraine appearing to be a political agent of the presidents reelection campaign, Murphy told me before Trumps attack. This was an official diplomatic meeting. I did not have a specific conversation with [Zelensky] about the details of Giulianis communications with his administration
I find it extraordinary that both [Trump] and Rudy Giuliani are so brazenly open about their belief that its okay for the two of them to be pressing the Ukrainian president into the service of the presidents reelection campaign.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-at-risk-of-criminal-exposure?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=pol&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=Thematic_Ballot_10012019&utm_medium=email&bxid=5be9f8cb24c17c6adf0e5d24&cndid=25394153&utm_content=Final&utm_term=Thematic_Ballot_Subscribers
empedocles
(15,751 posts)some status purposes. [ghouli just register with a same lawfirm as a lobbyist].
Criminal liability is something else. Legal shield is dubious.
UTUSN
(70,744 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)he makes me sick
Iahotdog
(119 posts)truly amazing that two people can suffer from exactly the same mental illness symptoms.
RainCaster
(10,916 posts)How much worse does this asshole have to get before they finally reach their limit?