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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:06 PM Oct 2019

Pence: I Participated in the Ukraine Plot But Only As a Patsy


the national interest 7:17 P.M.
Pence: I Participated in the Ukraine Plot But Only As a Patsy
By Jonathan Chait


Vice-President Mike Pence is knee-deep in the Ukraine scandal. He is floating the absurd defense that, while he did participate in Trump’s plan to extort Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden, he was completely ignorant of what he was doing.

Although President Trump “used Pence to tell [Ukrainian president Volodymyr] Zelensky that U.S. aid was still being withheld,” the Washington Post reports, Pence’s aides insist he had no idea what he was actually being used for. “Officials close to Pence insist that he was unaware of Trump’s efforts to press Zelensky for damaging information about Biden and his son,” the Post notes. Pence, by their accounting, is like a man who delivers a ransom note to a bank teller, failing to place any significance in the fact that the tellers have their hands in the air, the bank patrons are lying on the floor, and the guy who asked him to bring the note to the bank had a mask and a gun.

Pence’s involvement in the plot was extensive.
White House officials had him cancel a planned trip to Zelensky’s inauguration. One of Pence’s top advisers was on the July 25 call when Trump made clear his demand that Zelensky open investigations into various Democratic officials, including Biden, whom Trump named on the call. Pence was given the transcript of the call before his September 1 meeting with Zelensky, when he reiterated Trump’s threat.

Pence’s defense is that, even though the readout of Trump’s call with Zelensky was in his briefing materials on his trip to Europe, he did not bother to read it before the meeting. “Officials close to Pence contend that he traveled to Warsaw for a meeting with Zelensky on Sept. 1 probably without having read — or at least fully registered — the transcript,” the Post records.

So Pence didn’t read or understand the vital background information he needed before this important national-security meeting. He didn’t hear the widespread alarm rippling through the administration that Trump was acting improperly. He somehow failed to pick up on Rudy Giuliani’s repeated public boasts — in the New York Times, on Fox News, on Twitter, and in any media he could find — that he was pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Bidens in his personal capacity as Trump’s lawyer. He somehow accepted at face value Trump’s claim of being deeply concerned with corruption in Ukraine despite Trump’s record of greeting corruption in almost every other country he deals with with something ranging from indifference to enthusiasm.

Most amazing, Pence’s defense is that when he delivered Trump’s threat in the meeting with Zelensky, Pence had no idea that “corruption” was code for ordering up investigations of Trump’s domestic enemies. “A top Pence staffer rejected the charge that the vice-president was conveying an inappropriate — or coded — message from the president,” notes an obviously skeptical Post.

If Pence is so ignorant that he could be pulled into an extortion plot without having any idea what he was doing, while missing numerous public and private signs that would have spelled it out, he is too dumb to serve as vice-president or even to be allowed to use metal cutlery. There is no way Pence is quite that stupid.

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Pence: I Participated in the Ukraine Plot But Only As a Patsy (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2019 OP
All he did was serve the coffee. Autumn Oct 2019 #1
Playing the "patsy" is a dicey proposition, bro dumbass Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #2
Look away! Look away! Look away! struggle4progress Oct 2019 #9
Oh boy. This is getting good! llmart Oct 2019 #3
It doesn't matter - he can still be impeached RainCaster Oct 2019 #4
Overheard in the White House basement... C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #5
and... I was told there would be cake... Blue Owl Oct 2019 #6
Nobody in the Republican Party has time to read anymore. ooky Oct 2019 #7
Michael Cohen's first comments about tRump were that he speaks in code ffr Oct 2019 #8
He was in his closet. His prayer closet that is. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #10
K&R real Cannabis calm Oct 2019 #11
"Patsy Pence" has a nice ring to it. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2019 #12

llmart

(15,553 posts)
3. Oh boy. This is getting good!
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:11 PM
Oct 2019

Today's recap:

Trump has the biggest meltdown of his tenure (so far) in the WH and Pence says, "I'm too stupid to understand what's going on."

Wow. Just wow.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
5. Overheard in the White House basement...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:17 PM
Oct 2019

And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Kellyann that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married... But then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll, I'll, I'll set the building on fire...

ffr

(22,671 posts)
8. Michael Cohen's first comments about tRump were that he speaks in code
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:35 PM
Oct 2019

He'd use such language as "corruption" to mean fabricate dirt on the Bidens.

It's all related. If this is Pence's defence, it won't stand up, because we already know he knows that's how tRump directs.

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