General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat were Rudy and Trump really looking for in Ukraine??
From appearances, it looks like they were just trying to dig up dirt on Joe Biden?
But, is there some ulterior motive?
They say they are tracking down the culprits that started the Russia "hoax"? They don't believe Russia had anything to do with it. Maybe therein lies the motive?
Why were both Rudy and Trump consulting with Manafort about Ukraine?
Is it for the benefit of Donald Trump or for the benefit of Vladimir Putin?
In my opinion, there are still a lot of questions about Ukraine and previous corruption matters.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)of Biden and the IC's Russia findings.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Russia wants to return to "normal". Back to buying up big hotels, resorts, and golf courses, with laundered money, in most cases. The sanctions and restrictions on travel for some oligarchs has put a crimp in their lifestyle.
Wounded Bear
(58,717 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)Anything. Theres more bullshit to come.
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Find anyone willing to implicate Biden. Also to use it as an excuse to turn a blind eye to Russia.
lark
(23,158 posts)What did drumpf say in all those elipses? is this where he was threatening them with Russian military action? We will never know until we see the original unedited version - which is not really likely given this ass' history of destroying evidence.
I just posted on this same subject.
lark
(23,158 posts)I saw that immediately after I posted.
I 100% agree with your thinking!
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)a couple of days ago.
If Trump gets people to believe that it wasn't Russia (Putin) who hacked our election, then he can lift sanctions on Russia.
Russia is a glorified gas station and it has an awful lot of gas and oil in the ground that it doesn't have the technology to get at.
Exxon Mobil was all set to drill in the arctic in Russia when we imposed sanctions. Remember when Russia gave Rex Tillerson the Medal of Freedom and how he laughed about being restrained from drilling? I'm sure that Trump promised Putin that he would get those sanctions removed.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)He has a year to get the sanctions lifted. Maybe less if this impeachment gets momentum.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)And he would like to disrupt NATO and the EU and he would like to get Ukraine back under Russian rule. Trump has been helping him at every turn.
The sanctions and resulting lack of revenue are causing the economy in Russia to decline, and so the general population's getting angry. Putin has done all kinds of covert power plays to hang on to power, but if the economy gets bad enough, the people are gonna toss him.
Putin needs the sanctions lifted; note Trump's efforts to shift blame for the election interference, AND his frequent references to Ukraine and Russia "working out a deal" over Crimea. Russia illegally invaded and occupied Crimea - why should Ukraine negotiate with Russia? Why would a US president promote such a thing?
I would not be surprised at all if Trump is two feet above his neck into Russian money laundering and thus held hostage, and/or Putin has promised a cut of oil/gas revenue to Trump and various republicans if they'll get sanctions lifted.
The Biden thing is just Trump's own struggle to hang on to the office, seeing his own personal opportunity in the vulnerability of Ukraine, directed by the people riding on his coattails - Giuliani, etc.... also, gotta hang on to the presidency if they're going to get the deal done for Putin.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Lots more here than we know at this time
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Pressured Ukraine to "produce" evidence of such. Since there isn't any, this evidence would need to be fabricated and I believe that's what's missing in the released 20 "transcript" which only accounts for 11 minutes of a 30 minute call.
If successful in their efforts to frame Democrats for collusion, proving their batshit crazy conspiracy, it would cement his dictatorial power and absolve Russia so he can lift all sanctions.