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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:16 AM Oct 2019

What were Rudy and Trump really looking for in Ukraine??

From appearances, it looks like they were just trying to dig up dirt on Joe Biden?

But, is there some ulterior motive?

They say they are tracking down the culprits that started the Russia "hoax"? They don't believe Russia had anything to do with it. Maybe therein lies the motive?

Why were both Rudy and Trump consulting with Manafort about Ukraine?

Is it for the benefit of Donald Trump or for the benefit of Vladimir Putin?

In my opinion, there are still a lot of questions about Ukraine and previous corruption matters.

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What were Rudy and Trump really looking for in Ukraine?? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2019 OP
They weren't looking for anything, they are trying to fabricate a smear Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #1
"trying to fabricate a smear against the IC's Russia finding" would make sense. kentuck Oct 2019 #3
What's good for Trump is good for Putin... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #2
They want Ukraine to fabricate something. C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #4
I think it's twofold. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #5
We NEED to see the entire transcript - not just a call summary. lark Oct 2019 #6
+100 kentuck Oct 2019 #7
Great minds, etc. lark Oct 2019 #8
Kentuck, Rachel explained it on her show gab13by13 Oct 2019 #9
And time is of the essence. Buckeyeblue Oct 2019 #11
I'm sure Putin would like the sanctions lifted. kentuck Oct 2019 #12
Exactly BruceWane Oct 2019 #15
Godot? Roland99 Oct 2019 #10
more to fabricate a smear job on Biden via his son than looking for evidence to use. beachbumbob Oct 2019 #13
They want to pin 2016 election interference on Ukraine and Democrats. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #14

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. They weren't looking for anything, they are trying to fabricate a smear
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:18 AM
Oct 2019

of Biden and the IC's Russia findings.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. "trying to fabricate a smear against the IC's Russia finding" would make sense.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:25 AM
Oct 2019

Russia wants to return to "normal". Back to buying up big hotels, resorts, and golf courses, with laundered money, in most cases. The sanctions and restrictions on travel for some oligarchs has put a crimp in their lifestyle.

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
5. I think it's twofold.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:27 AM
Oct 2019

Find anyone willing to implicate Biden. Also to use it as an excuse to turn a blind eye to Russia.

lark

(23,158 posts)
6. We NEED to see the entire transcript - not just a call summary.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:32 AM
Oct 2019

What did drumpf say in all those elipses? is this where he was threatening them with Russian military action? We will never know until we see the original unedited version - which is not really likely given this ass' history of destroying evidence.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
9. Kentuck, Rachel explained it on her show
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:38 AM
Oct 2019

a couple of days ago.

If Trump gets people to believe that it wasn't Russia (Putin) who hacked our election, then he can lift sanctions on Russia.

Russia is a glorified gas station and it has an awful lot of gas and oil in the ground that it doesn't have the technology to get at.

Exxon Mobil was all set to drill in the arctic in Russia when we imposed sanctions. Remember when Russia gave Rex Tillerson the Medal of Freedom and how he laughed about being restrained from drilling? I'm sure that Trump promised Putin that he would get those sanctions removed.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
11. And time is of the essence.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:49 AM
Oct 2019

He has a year to get the sanctions lifted. Maybe less if this impeachment gets momentum.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
12. I'm sure Putin would like the sanctions lifted.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:49 AM
Oct 2019

And he would like to disrupt NATO and the EU and he would like to get Ukraine back under Russian rule. Trump has been helping him at every turn.

BruceWane

(345 posts)
15. Exactly
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:59 AM
Oct 2019

The sanctions and resulting lack of revenue are causing the economy in Russia to decline, and so the general population's getting angry. Putin has done all kinds of covert power plays to hang on to power, but if the economy gets bad enough, the people are gonna toss him.

Putin needs the sanctions lifted; note Trump's efforts to shift blame for the election interference, AND his frequent references to Ukraine and Russia "working out a deal" over Crimea. Russia illegally invaded and occupied Crimea - why should Ukraine negotiate with Russia? Why would a US president promote such a thing?

I would not be surprised at all if Trump is two feet above his neck into Russian money laundering and thus held hostage, and/or Putin has promised a cut of oil/gas revenue to Trump and various republicans if they'll get sanctions lifted.

The Biden thing is just Trump's own struggle to hang on to the office, seeing his own personal opportunity in the vulnerability of Ukraine, directed by the people riding on his coattails - Giuliani, etc.... also, gotta hang on to the presidency if they're going to get the deal done for Putin.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
13. more to fabricate a smear job on Biden via his son than looking for evidence to use.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:49 AM
Oct 2019

Lots more here than we know at this time

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
14. They want to pin 2016 election interference on Ukraine and Democrats.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:56 AM
Oct 2019

Pressured Ukraine to "produce" evidence of such. Since there isn't any, this evidence would need to be fabricated and I believe that's what's missing in the released 20 "transcript" which only accounts for 11 minutes of a 30 minute call.

If successful in their efforts to frame Democrats for collusion, proving their batshit crazy conspiracy, it would cement his dictatorial power and absolve Russia so he can lift all sanctions.

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