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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:06 PM Oct 2019

Volker docs bombshell-Top US diplomat: Ukraine aid was withheld 'for help with a political campaign'

Newly revealed text messages show that the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine expressed concerns about the Trump administration withholding aid to the country for political purposes.

ABC News reports that the text messages were revealed as part of a document dump by Kurt Volker, who last week resigned as the Trump administration’s special envoy to Ukraine.

In the text exchange obtained by ABC News, Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, told a group of fellow American diplomats that “I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” a reference to the Trump administration’s decision to put a hold on aide to Ukraine.






https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime/nope-that-doesnt-sound-good
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-diplomat-ukraine-crazy-withhold-security-sasistance-political/story?id=66039011
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fmr-ukraine-envoy-volker-meets-with-dem-led-house-committee-in-closed-door-session
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/volker-docs-bombshell-top-us-diplomat-said-ukraine-aid-was-withheld-for-help-with-a-political-campaign/
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Volker docs bombshell-Top US diplomat: Ukraine aid was withheld 'for help with a political campaign' (Original Post) kpete Oct 2019 OP
But Jim Jordan said, "nothing to see here." dewsgirl Oct 2019 #1
And he'll keep saying that. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #6
Jim Jordan has made a career of not seeing things. Midnight Writer Oct 2019 #15
Ain't THAT the Scarsdale Oct 2019 #16
Well on his way to losing his shirt too lunatica Oct 2019 #17
Could not happen to a Scarsdale Oct 2019 #18
Permanently. He wasn't wearing it in his interview last week dewsgirl Oct 2019 #22
Gym "Jacket-off" Jordan. Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #38
No kidding, he didn't see anything at Ohio State either. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #31
For the win! Cosmocat Oct 2019 #36
The heck you say! dchill Oct 2019 #37
That's what he said in that OSU locker room years ago. George II Oct 2019 #32
That aid was approved by Congress malaise Oct 2019 #2
Ah shit. Got um. pwb Oct 2019 #3
Isn't he on the Hill today? maxsolomon Oct 2019 #4
Yes, and far as I know he's still giving his deposition, which puts him in his 4th or 5th hour Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #8
Jordon and his flunkies came out an True Blue American Oct 2019 #11
Ain't it grand, Blue?! Both Jordan and Ohio Rep Mike Turner said hey, he seems to be a credible Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #13
Do not for one minute think Turner True Blue American Oct 2019 #26
And republicans have been leaking to the media that Volker has nothing in the hearings. spanone Oct 2019 #5
He proved them wrong. True Blue American Oct 2019 #27
Whoa that quote from Bill Taylor text: Mike 03 Oct 2019 #7
Looks more like a smoking cannon. patphil Oct 2019 #20
"No smocking gun." tclambert Oct 2019 #33
they're trying to covfefe up the smocking gun! Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #40
Another datapoint on the road to impeachment. nt OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #9
Like how many do we need?! Impeach the motherfucker already. triron Oct 2019 #10
Seems like that should do it right... Bromwell Oct 2019 #12
Kick this up OKNancy Oct 2019 #14
Lock them ALL up Miigwech Oct 2019 #19
KICK bluestarone Oct 2019 #21
I believe those texts are what is called a... LudwigPastorius Oct 2019 #23
Past time for Repubs to cut bait joost5 Oct 2019 #24
I wish that was true. I don't think we're anywhere close to having enough to convict. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #25
Maybe you're right joost5 Oct 2019 #29
+1, seeing the rest of the transcripts are either going to be neutral or worse and neither... uponit7771 Oct 2019 #30
Evidence. SergeStorms Oct 2019 #28
Like the scolding hot shell coming out of a cannon. ffr Oct 2019 #34
"crazy" is taking on a whole new meaning as we delve into 45's operation. Evolve Dammit Oct 2019 #35
K&R demmiblue Oct 2019 #39

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
22. Permanently. He wasn't wearing it in his interview last week
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:02 PM
Oct 2019

Either, never wears it to hearings he's a mess.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
8. Yes, and far as I know he's still giving his deposition, which puts him in his 4th or 5th hour
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:12 PM
Oct 2019

of testimony

!!!!!!

I think he’s a real stand-up guy, from what I’m hearing

!!!!!!

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
11. Jordon and his flunkies came out an
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:24 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Hour after the hearing started. He was having a time answering questions. They cut it short when they heard that Trump asked China. Jordon was very subdued today.

Volker turned over all documents. They showed he was not pleased with what he saw.

Meanwhile, here is Jim.


https://www.salon.com/2018/07/06/fifth-former-wrestler-accuses-rep-jim-jordan-of-turning-a-blind-eye-to-sexual-abuse/

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
13. Ain't it grand, Blue?! Both Jordan and Ohio Rep Mike Turner said hey, he seems to be a credible
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:32 PM
Oct 2019

guy, but he’s got no worthwhile info” —-I AM enjoying that they’re both ON THE RECORD saying what a GOOD GUY Volker is!!!

Volker’s still giving his deposition, per msnbc!!





True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
26. Do not for one minute think Turner
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:19 PM
Oct 2019

Is one bit better than Jordon. I have known Mike since he was Mayor of Dayton. A friend was a good friend of Mike’s ex wife. She was one smart woman. Ran her own agency, then became PR for Kettering Hospital. Their daughter had to run for her life in the Oregon District massacre.

Next day Mike came out for gun control. I have never voted for him.

spanone

(135,882 posts)
5. And republicans have been leaking to the media that Volker has nothing in the hearings.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:10 PM
Oct 2019

these fuckers couldn't care less about the truth

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
7. Whoa that quote from Bill Taylor text:
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:11 PM
Oct 2019

“I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

The term "smoking gun" is often overused, but...

EDIT: We've got to get Bill Taylor to the committee.

Bromwell

(123 posts)
12. Seems like that should do it right...
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:28 PM
Oct 2019

but we live in a post-facts world now, thanks to these dirtbags and their constant lying....I personally just can't EVER rejoice any of this news. Not yet. When they lock 'em up....then I will smile.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
19. Lock them ALL up
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:00 PM
Oct 2019

law breaking traitors should be arrested, charged and given their day in the court of law, period.

joost5

(421 posts)
24. Past time for Repubs to cut bait
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:10 PM
Oct 2019

The tRump fishing line is snagged in the weeds. How they can leak that there's nothing Volker's adding to the investigation is 100% pure spin. They are done. Fat lady's singing. It's over. The evidence of illegality is overwhelming.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
25. I wish that was true. I don't think we're anywhere close to having enough to convict.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:14 PM
Oct 2019

In a sane world, sure. But Dems need audio of Trump and Putin in quid pro quo, audio of Trump and MBS laughing about Kashoggi's murder and Trump's tax returns. And then some.

joost5

(421 posts)
29. Maybe you're right
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:22 PM
Oct 2019

We need a sex tape of Trump and Putin together with a N. Korean animal (llama?) laying on a bed with US flag sheets while making fun of Fox viewers. or something.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
30. +1, seeing the rest of the transcripts are either going to be neutral or worse and neither...
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:22 PM
Oct 2019

... one of those options are good.

If Red Don holds out the transcripts and the transcripts are worse then it ends up like the Nixon tapes and Red Don's numbers go into the 30s

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
28. Evidence.
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 04:21 PM
Oct 2019

How 'ya gonna' spin this, Donnie? Apparently Trump thinks he's done nothing wrong and he's going to ride that lame horse all the way to the finish line. Bad strategy, Donnie. Just because you don't think you've broken the law doesn't mean you haven't.

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