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BumRushDaShow

(129,543 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:21 AM Oct 2019

Latest Seth Abramson thread



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Seth Abramson

@SethAbramson

THE QUID PRO QUO

Trump held out *3* things of value to the Ukrainians in July 2019:

1. A phone call with him.
2. A visit to the White House.
3. Release of military aid.

And he had *3* tiered demands:

1. Announce a Biden probe.
2. Begin a Biden probe.
3. Find Biden corruption.
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Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
44 minutes ago, 16 tweets, 3 min read Read on Twitter
THE QUID PRO QUO

Trump held out *3* things of value to the Ukrainians in July 2019:

1. A phone call with him.
2. A visit to the White House.
3. Release of military aid.

And he had *3* tiered demands:

1. Announce a Biden probe.
2. Begin a Biden probe.
3. Find Biden corruption.

1/ Trump intended each morsel of value to be doled out in response to a demand being met. If Ukraine announced a Biden probe, they could get a phone call. If they began a probe, they could get a White House trip. If Trump liked how the investigation was going, they could get aid.

2/ It's critical to see these tiers of value and reward because they underscore how deliberative, systematic and pernicious the quid pro quo was. And it required a conspiracy: not just Trump and Giuliani, but others had to be involved to deliver on it and make it seem legitimate.

3/ Some will note, and rightly, that the quid pro quo was so controversial and byzantine it required 8 months of work by Trump's lawyer to come to fruition. But we should go further and say that Trump and Giuliani had already successfully pulled a quid pro quo on Ukraine in 2017.

4/ In other words, the reason Trump believed this would work is it'd already worked before with Zelensky's predecessor. Trump cut a deal in December '17 to sell Javelins to Ukraine that Ukraine determined was conditioned on it dropping all corruption investigations into Manafort.

5/ This history is *vital* because it underscores that the Trump-Giuliani Ukraine shakedowns were *multiple* in number, *always* threatened U.S. national security, and had *nothing* to do with corruption. Not just one but *both* of them had to do with U.S. presidential elections.

6/ Right now U.S. media is just catching up in seeing how complex the events of July 2019 were. But Trump's actions are so dangerous we need to be moving faster, and seeing both how long the second quid pro quo took to develop and how similar it was in form/content to the first.

7/ This story has now moved far beyond Trump's blather about a "perfect" call, Giuliani's dissembling on corruption in Ukraine and even the whistleblower complaint. This is a historic scandal that not only developed over years but is connected at all points to the Mueller Report.

8/ Many of us have said for years that what we call the "Trump-Russia scandal" in fact involved *many* countries. Ukraine is one of those countries. What we're now calling the "Trump-Ukraine scandal" is in fact the *Trump-Russia scandal*, and *Paul Manafort* is the key link here.

9/ Trump's *first* Ukraine shakedown was intended to relieve legal pressure on Manafort, so that Manafort would not flip on Trump for whatever it was that Trump and Manafort did during the 2016 presidential election that Trump believed could take him down if Manafort revealed it.

10/ Trump's *second* Ukraine shakedown had *two* ambitions, one focused on the 2016 election and intended to please the *Russians* and one focused on the 2020 election and intended to help *his* 2020 campaign. Media's getting this twisted because it can't see the scale of events.

11/ What Trump did in July was intended to exonerate the Russians from the proven claims that they interfered in the '16 election so that Trump could negotiate a dropping of sanctions on Russia *and* so that if Russia tampered with the 2020 election it'd seem like the first time.

12/ Besides the sanctions issue, Trump needs Russia to be absolved of 2016 wrongdoing for many reasons: to legitimize his presidency; to justify him having done nothing to protect our elections; to lower the guard of his cultists with respect to Russian disinfo in 2020; and more.

13/ But the *main* reason Trump needs Russia to be exonerated with respect to everything that happened in 2016 is that Vol. 1 of the Mueller Report *robustly* catalogs the fact that Trump and his campaign did in fact collude with the Russians *wall-to-wall* in our last election.

14/ This last fact threatens Trump due to the *29 ongoing federal probes* of his activity, many launched by Mueller's work; the threat of wideranging Articles of Impeachment; and the fact the 2020 Democratic candidate will *ensure* voters understand Vol. 1 of the Mueller Report.

15/ But beyond this, remember that the Trump Organization has been doing big business in Russia since at least the aughts (per Don Jr.), and that Trump was secretly negotiating the biggest real estate deal of his life with Putin during the 2016 election. Trump *wants* that money.
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Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
5. There is one other demand that is missing: Trump wanted Ukraine to hold an election in E. Ukraine &
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:45 AM
Oct 2019

...also have a "peace agreement" regarding Crimea with Russia....

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
8. What is it going to take for people to see this? It is so clear that Trump is Putin's Puppet...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:50 AM
Oct 2019

Seriously - how much more is it going to take to see? It is so clear and we are only scratching the surface...

Sadly, I feel the Trump loyalists could literally see a video or hear audio of Trump laughing and telling Putin he is excited to fuck the Constitution and the United States and his supporters, and they would claim it is fake news and not real.

EleanorR

(2,395 posts)
10. Putin desperately needed Zelensky to be seen as corrupt
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 11:08 AM
Oct 2019

And trump drew Zelensky in and helped take him down by withholding military aid. It was a double win for putin. This has always been about russia.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
4. This is a great summary - #4,8 & 9 are the first shakedown that was completed and #10, 11 and 12 the
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:33 AM
Oct 2019

...current Ukrainian shakedown and #13, 14 and 15 related to the long going crimes by the Trump Campaign conspiring with Russia in 2016 election, ongoing 29 federal probes in the courts and the Trump Organizations business with Russia and now for the upcoming 2020 interference.

Holy fuck....

And this doesn't even cover what he has been doing with China and Saudi Arabia.....

Backseat Driver

(4,399 posts)
13. IMHO, the Trump admin was following a
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:06 PM
Oct 2019

similar shake down in the country of Equador regarding getting a hold of the consumate "whistleblower," Julian Assange.

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/a/8/a8a63343-fba7-4ea6-8090-5fb3d9f5d3de/7B8CEDB7545C8C99DEDB0AC0931C9873.10-16-2018-letter-from-engel-ros-lehtinen-to-president-of-ecuador.pdf

Looks to me that Equador may have "played ball" to eliminate THEIR problem in holding the dude.

Assange published those emails purportedly pointing at HRC, et al misdeeds? No? And where would Julian Assange obtain these - hackers, of course, delivering them to Wikileaks. Recall: "Russia, if you're listening?" and "I love Wikileaks." Yet, with Assange now in UK custody, serving a 50 wk sentence beginning shortly after UK arrested him and extracted him from Equadorian asylum protection, for skipping out to the Equadorian embassy(?) and Sweden stepping down from their claim to extradition for charges on the rape allegation due to expiration of Swedish "statute of limitations," it would seem that our extradition request may be held up until that UK sentence is completed. Just recently, the UK was to examine Assange's electronic "devices." Our request, therefore, may not, probably not, be accepted or fulfilled before our primary election and could take as long as the 2020 presidential results are determined.

Seems to me this still is reminiscent of Russian designs to interfere in the 2016 election through the release of purported damaging stuff, whether or not it actually was, yet clearly stolen by somebody's hackers that surely don't work out of the goodness of their hearts nor without an agenda?

Also, recall that our perps, Snowden, chose to take off for life with the Russians, yet currently was making noise about returning to the US(?) and Manning's personal goals were fulfilled for the sake of her mental health(?).

IMHO, these situations of stated or implied "pressure" on foreign nations under this administration are related in the long picture and certainly not "creative speculation." Because of info presented by UK's Steele dossier, overlooked "hidden" situations could have gone back even further. SMH - some things we will never know.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
17. Such a good point. We may have corruption-election dots all the way back to THERE!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:22 PM
Oct 2019

Much appreciated insight you have shared.

THANKS!

mopinko

(70,239 posts)
11. i know a lot of folks here dont like seth, but
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 11:28 AM
Oct 2019

he seems to be the one lining up all the little piggies that others cant seem to link.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
14. If the aid was leverage for an investigation, someone thought it was worth $400M
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:12 PM
Oct 2019

All the BS about viewing a Biden probe as having no value or could not be valued are missing the point that the aid package was the bargaining chip.

As they say about art, it's worth what someone is willing to pay. In this case, almost $400M.

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