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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Atlantic : The Scandal Has Spiraled Out of Trump's Control
When the week began, the president faced questions about Ukraine. Now the inquiry has gone global.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/global-scandal/599434/
As last week came to a close, Donald Trump was confronting the most serious crisis of his presidency, as Democrats moved forward with impeachment hearings in a serious scandal over his pressuring Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election. Seven days later, the scandal is even more serious, but it has metastasized. This is no longer a controversy about a whistle-blower complaint, an American ally in eastern Europe, and the president. It is now an all-encompassing scandal, involving many of the top officials in the Trump administration pressuring countries around the world, from Australia to Ukraine and China to Great Britain.
What has changed is not the facts, but what the public knows. Its clear now that the president, his vice president, and several of his top, Senate-confirmed aidesas well as his personal lawyer cum private foreign minister, Rudy Giuliani have spent significant time over the past year trying to pressure foreign governments into producing stories that can aid in Trumps reelection. Ukraine remains ground zero for the story, if only because theres so much more information about Trumps efforts there than anywhere else. The public has already had a chance to read the partial transcript of a call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump pressures his counterpart to investigate the Bidens and also a conspiracy theory about the 2016 election, as well as the whistle-blower complaint. Beyond that, Giuliani conducted many of the early stages of the operation in the open, talking about them to reporters.
Thursday brought new bombshells in the Ukraine case, as Trumps former envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, who was forced to resign last week, gave a deposition to House investigators. Republicans who were present insisted that Volker had not said there was a quid pro quo for dirt on Biden, but you dont have to take their word for it, because the Democratic chairs of three committees released text messages that Volker turned over. The messages make clear that both American and Ukrainian officials understood that there was a quid pro quo: If Zelensky wanted to get a White House visit and military aid, he had to manufacture an investigation into the Bidens. In one message, Volker wrote that assuming President Z convinces Trump he will investigate/get to the bottom of what happened in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Trumps ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland wrote, i think potus really wants the deliverable.
In another exchange, Bill Taylora career Foreign Service officer and the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine after the ambassador was fired, reportedly at Giulianis behestwrote, Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations? Sondland, evidently worried about creating a paper trail, instructed Taylor to call him. A few days later, Taylor said, I think its crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. After taking five hours to reply, Sondland again tried to clean up matters and prevent any written record. Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trumps intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind, he wrote, adding, I suggest we stop the back and forth by text. Sondland also recommended that Taylor contact the secretary of state if he had other questions, making Mike Pompeos involvement in the scheme clear.
But the stain of scandal is spreading, as a steady drip of evidence shows that Trump has sought to gather dirt on Biden from friends and adversaries alike, across the globe.................
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Skittles
(153,169 posts)it's not just what he did, it's how everyone can see how he reacts to a crisis
dweller
(23,641 posts)it's how he's reaching desperately to foreign governments to secure his reelection... he knows
he's lost it here among Americans ... a political pariah that should be ostracized
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Skittles
(153,169 posts)and this is a man who questions the patriotism of FOOTBALL PLAYERS
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Granny M
(1,395 posts)Id be shocked if his own bowels were still under his control.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Don't drag the Irish into this mess.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)Based on my own personal experience, the ONLY man I knew growing up who had a 'big ass' like trump, was an Irish kid lol...
Now, dont get me wrong.. there were a contingent of women who thought it was sexy and grab-able as all get..
But still.
A big irish man ass lol!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)them confused with pigs like Trump. I actually think they are quite attractive, but I find him extremely repulsive, because he's Trump and he is hideous and he looks like he is wearing diapers.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)gordianot
(15,238 posts)They are about to find out there is no recovery and this demon will try to hurt everyone he can. It will get worse as he spreads pain and carnage.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Trump will eventually betray them all and that once his administration goes down in flames, they will all be taken down with him. It must be a sickness.
What is this power he has over them? Are they all so compromised? What could be so bad that coming clean and freeing oneself of this monster would not seem like the lesser of two evils? I try to think of myself in this situation and I would do anything to be free of him. I just can't see what motivates these people to stand by him.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)They will tell you about the times they were beaten and still they return.This is life with a narcissist.The only relief is to get away and stay away. I figure the fault is in our DNA.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I understand it a little as my step-mother is a raging narcissist and we all tip-toe around her and try to please her when we really should all tell her to go fuck herself. I don't understand the power of these people, but eventually they are going to get what is coming to them. People can only put up with so much.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Fear substitutes well when you cannot stand them any longer. I never knew a Narcissist until I worked for one. I did not have the terminology until I encountered them in a clinical practicum. There is no cure just get away from them. They often end up isolated, in prison, institutionalized, or dead. Most people have never known or encountered a Narcissist. Trump is so malignant in his personality disorder most Narcissist pale in comparison and right now he is out of control.