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(46,336 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:24 AM Oct 2019

Has there ever been an insane President?

I know Richard Nixon could act crazy at times, and Ronald Reagan was in the early stages of Alzheimer's during his second term.

But has any President actually been certifiably nuts?

(Besides Trump, that is...)

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Has there ever been an insane President? (Original Post) Archae Oct 2019 OP
I don't know... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #1
Ever listen to W's speeches in the mid to late 90's when he was governor? Polybius Oct 2019 #17
No, Newest Reality Oct 2019 #19
Not until now Taraman Oct 2019 #2
"Well, you have to cut him a little slack for being insane..." kentuck Oct 2019 #3
As I understand it, 'insanity' is a legal term - not a medical one Cirque du So-What Oct 2019 #4
Andrew Johnson and Andrew Jackson probably (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Oct 2019 #5
I don't know much about Johnson, but I agree about Jackson. LuvNewcastle Oct 2019 #22
He's not crazy, he is an asshole. Big difference. It doesn't matter how much he BeckyDem Oct 2019 #6
Yep. He has ALWAYS been an asshole. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #8
I agree. He has numerous personality disorders and may be in the early stages of smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #11
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Oct 2019 #13
Yes. He's not crazy he's been an asshole all his life. Hotler Oct 2019 #15
YES fully agree! bluestarone Oct 2019 #18
Agree! LeftInTX Oct 2019 #20
There have been other presidents who were narcissists milestogo Oct 2019 #7
reagan was known 'to be a little off' in DC circles in 1976, before the empedocles Oct 2019 #9
Reagan was not batsh*t crazy like Trump. Sneederbunk Oct 2019 #10
reagan simply toed the line when he had to, so he could go back upstairs to his reruns empedocles Oct 2019 #14
Wilson, LBJ and Nixon were all broken men by the end... First Speaker Oct 2019 #12
hate to see LBJ and his huge accomplishments lumped in with nixon and reagan empedocles Oct 2019 #16
We've never had a public asshole president in recent history. LeftInTX Oct 2019 #21

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. I don't know...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:33 AM
Oct 2019

I have not heard of one, but times change and so do definitions.

I know that Lincoln often suffered from severe depression, but that's a mood disorder, of course and Dubya was a simpleton or dunce, but that's was a congenital condition.

Polybius

(15,428 posts)
17. Ever listen to W's speeches in the mid to late 90's when he was governor?
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:52 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

They were on point and normal. He knew how to speak without looking like an idiot. Then something went wrong around 2000. I'm convinced he had head trauma.

First I thought it was early Alzheimer's, but he has remained stable for the past 18 years or so.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
19. No,
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

I hadn't been exposed much to him prior to the election other than news bytes.

Interesting to note. Thanks.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
3. "Well, you have to cut him a little slack for being insane..."
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:40 AM
Oct 2019

Right?

This seems to me to be the Republican argument?

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
4. As I understand it, 'insanity' is a legal term - not a medical one
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:40 AM
Oct 2019

In addition, I'm inclined to take findings from the 'soft science' of psychiatry with a grain of salt. Going on empirical evidence, however, I believe a case can be made that Tricky Dick was barking-at-the-moon mad at times. If I observed anyone having conversations with portraits of dead presidents or making a midnight escape to the Lincoln Memorial to engage protestors in an impromptu debate, I'd say that ol' boy just ain't right. I have no doubt about rump, and in this age of the ubiquitous smart phone, I anticipate a performance for the ages before he's ousted from office.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
22. I don't know much about Johnson, but I agree about Jackson.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:28 PM
Oct 2019

I would say that he was, at the very least, bipolar. I think that the people who voted for Trump are about as sophisticated as those who voted for Jackson, as well.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
6. He's not crazy, he is an asshole. Big difference. It doesn't matter how much he
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:48 AM
Oct 2019

embarrasses himself, he just keeps digging in his heels.
The distractions are part of his communications style, but they're also rooted in narcissism.

Just my 2 cents. lol

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. I agree. He has numerous personality disorders and may be in the early stages of
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:07 AM
Oct 2019

senile dementia, but I don't believe he is clinically "insane". He is and always has been a hateful, cruel, narcissistic, immoral asshole and his behavior appears insane to most normal people, but he's really just a raging dickhead.

More than anything, I want to see him humiliated and ruined. I want to see him destroyed and imprisoned and then shortly after that, I hope he kicks off and finally leaves the world in peace.

Hotler

(11,425 posts)
15. Yes. He's not crazy he's been an asshole all his life.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:41 AM
Oct 2019

A mean, selfish, hateful, asshole. In other words, a repug.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
7. There have been other presidents who were narcissists
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:55 AM
Oct 2019

but I don't think any of them were this extreme.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
9. reagan was known 'to be a little off' in DC circles in 1976, before the
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:18 AM
Oct 2019

rabid primary voters got going, - unfortunately in 1980. He was definitely downhill, and nancy had difficulty getting him out of the family quarters to go to work as the Inauguration wore off. The Hinckley shooting in March 1981 was immediately seized upon as an excuse for his 'different' work habits. [Even during the 1979- '80 campaign reagan was never left alone. Not even for 1 on 1 meetings with important outsiders, etc. This practice, noted in numerous sources, continued through reagan's Presidency and long life].

By the time of the Iran-Contra Scandal, the November 1986 Tower Commission, run by reagan appointees, tower, Dem Muskie, and Scowcraft, dealt very gingerly with the underlying treason issue. The Commission Report was issued in March 1987. Others were convicted, and later all pardoned by Bush. reagan though, was treated as, and reported as in the Tower Commission Report, as not being able to remember important decisions - which may have been true. Inside DC, decided it was best to gloss over the problem and let reagan harmlessly finish out his term. GH Bush famously said in January 1988, reagan would not be seen in public again. That turned out to be true.

Finely tuned Washington, DC coverup.

Sneederbunk

(14,291 posts)
10. Reagan was not batsh*t crazy like Trump.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

More importantly, Reagan had a competent staff and handlers. Trump is untethered.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
12. Wilson, LBJ and Nixon were all broken men by the end...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:28 AM
Oct 2019

...though I don't know if they were technically insane. (Wilson was certainly showing some signs of clinical paranoia at Versailles; and the stress broke him finally.) FDR and Reagan were both sick men by the end, and neither probably should have run in 1944 or 1984. Andrew Johnson clearly had psychological issues. But none of them put together, matches what we're experiencing today...

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
16. hate to see LBJ and his huge accomplishments lumped in with nixon and reagan
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:44 AM
Oct 2019

LBJ's Nam problem had no solution. Though physically very ill, LBJ still had his marbles at the end.

LeftInTX

(25,375 posts)
21. We've never had a public asshole president in recent history.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:11 PM
Oct 2019

He isn't insane, he's a RW asshole.

He says what he says cuz his base likes it.
He's another grifter, PT Barnum. If we call him insane, he likes it.

He's like Benny Hinn and all those RW televangelists. They all act crazy, but it's money in the bank.

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