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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-rush-to-testify-is-bad-news-for-the-white-house?fbclid=IwAR2UIPZC0Xdt6UeFryHYj-yIUGmphB4JiMClshveefBsuK3otM5jkME0lrQThe Rush to Testify is Bad News for the White House
By Josh Marshall
October 5, 2019 12:14 am
This afternoon we learned that Gordon Sondland, Ambassador to the EU and GOP megadonor, will appear for a closed door deposition before House committees on Tuesday, October 8th. According to CBS News it will be the same format as Ukraine Envoy Kurt Volkers testimony yesterday. (I take this to mean that he will appear without a government lawyer.) This seems to me to be a development of great importance.
The White House is putting up a strong bluff. They say they wont comply with subpoenas. They are even hinting at a challenge to the Houses internal governance, arguing that there actually is no impeachment inquiry because Speaker Pelosi has not held a vote of the whole House to authorize it. Its the same brash, aggressive and total defiance that has served them so well for the last nine months. The President says he has every right to do what hes done and his top lieutenants are lining up to agree.
But the people closest to the action, the ones with the most at stake are belying that confidence not with their words but their actions. Secretary Pompeo threatened a dogged fight against any attempt to depose State Department officials or get documents for the House inquiry. Volker, Yovanovitch, Sondland and others could have used that shield Pompeo threw up around them to refuse or at least delay or negotiate over testifying. That was clearly the intention. But they havent. Volker resigned his appointment and quickly testified. Now Sondland, much more of a Trump partisan and apparently much more of a driving force in the extortion scheme, is doing the same.
Take it as a given that everyone here will act in their own interests. If the Presidents position was strong and he had the ability to protect or threaten these secondary players theyd almost certainly be following his lead. But theyre not. Theyre moving quickly, if not to make deals with the Congress then at least to share what they know and hand over documents in their possession. In other words, theyre protecting themselves. We dont know for certain Sondland is doing this yet. But if he werent it would be folly to submit to a deposition without a government lawyer present and without trying to negotiate protective ground rules.
One of the things we learned over the last nine months is that a posture of total defiance can be quite effective. If no one talks or produces any records its almost impossible for an investigation to get traction or build momentum. By cooperating they are significantly undermining the administrations strategy and creating incentives and pressures for others to come forward as well. For a White House where law means little and loyalty means everything that is total betrayal. But that does not appear to be stopping them.
Again, everyone will act in their own interests. The White House is telegraphing a cavalier defiance meant to tell everyone they still hold all the cards. But these underlings actions speak louder than words. They know much more than we do and they have much more on the line. So we should listen closely to what their actions are telling us.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)do Trump's bidding and got caught.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)It gets in the way of making profit off the serfs. Like the rubes who keep voting for Trump.
MyMission
(1,850 posts)Which is why he's talking, and why others will.
He and they will try to save themselves. Those with some degree of smarts, and or patriotism will recognize the way to do that is to tell what they know.
But some will not talk, and will coerce others to follow their lead. The dumbest and most corrupt ones. They will go down hard, for failure to provide testimony or documents. By the time they realize they should not have tied themselves to the sinking ship 45 it will be too late! They will be implicated by the testimony and records of others. Then many will give testimony, hoping for a lenient sentence that they hopefully won't get.
But the best deals go to those who talk first.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)net so many...perhaps he knows full well..
The Watergate scandal resulted in the indictment of 69 people, with trials or pleas resulting in 48 being found guilty, many of whom were top Nixon officials.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)These people are far more experienced at this sort of game than Trump. They know that whoever rolls first gets the best deals. Thy know that they are not the object of the investigations.
They know Trump has loyalty only to himself (and, maybe, Ivnka), he will throw them under the bus in a heartbeat to save himself. Protecting themselves is the smart move.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)is willing to go to prison to protect tRump? He is a cheap thug, pure and simple. Not too bright. All bluff and bluster. Repulsive excuse for a human being. He IS going down, regardless of how many gop members try to protect him, at their own risk.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It would probably be those who are just as deep in crimes as he is and think they still have a chance to break the government. And then there's ideology.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,355 posts)"[J]ust as deep in crimes", "chance to break the government", "ideology" -- yep, Moscow Mitch matches all of them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of the people. But presumably they believe their rewards will be great if they carry it off. And, as you say, there's ideology.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)HUH !! They've had three damn years. I don't call that QUICKLY.
''I call that waiting until the ship starts to think and people start running for the too few lifeboats.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Fool congress?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)That was a great analysis. Encouraging, too. They will absolutely move to protect themselves.
Thanks, babylonsister!
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)Any of these guys from perry on down could be planning to provide doctored evidence absolving trump. What's a perjury charge after all they have done?
But it gives the sycophants something to grab on to and yell at the tops of their lungs as a way to discredit the investigation and provide figleafs to gop house and senate votes.......
watch for it. If he can get a doctor to say he is the healthiest person in the country, he can get any one of his toadies to say anything.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Nevermypresident
(781 posts)covering his own ass and you can tell by the texts, he was deep in the "conspiracy".
Except for the whistleblower, we would not know about Ukraine-gate.
To my knowledge, Taylor was alarmed, but did not actually block. Unless he happens to be the whistleblower, he did not report this abuse of power to the FBI, Congress.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)WATCH WHAT THEY DO ..... not simply what they say.
gristy
(10,667 posts)And that is, when someone who knows something about what's been going on and they talk to authorities (or to Congress), they name names. Who was in this or that meeting? Who did they speak with about this issue? Who can corroborate what you are telling me today? Good lord, when all done, Congress will have a certifiable rope to pull.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)She's another lynchpin here and no friend to the WH. We need her up there asap