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PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:07 PM Oct 2019

I had a provocative thought:

Anyone ever read the book/mathematical treatise entitled Flatland? It is about planar beings who exist in a two dimensional universe. One day a sphere from the three dimensional universe passes through their universe. What they see is at first a point, followed by an expanding circle then a contracting circle and then a point before it disappears entirely.

The scandal we are experiencing has manifest in our universe and we perceive a certain structure which we process as the crime and crimes which it encompasses. However, there is an entity of extra-dimensional quality which is not perceivable by, shall we say, closed or minds which lack creativity. There is a huge apparition which has descended through our plane but we are only discovering the linear portion due to our inherent inability to comprehend the whole: the hugeness and warp and weft of the plots within the plots within the plots.

I wish I had the brilliance of a Douglas Hofstadter who was the brilliant puzzle master of Scientific American and wrote Godel, Escher, Bach, one of the most remarkable books of the 20th Century. I don’t possess the capability to understand the gestalt here but I do know there’s something huge, something so terribly complex that the flow chart would be a football field in area. It’s just awful in extremis.

For you younger folk, we knew that Watergate was but the tip of the iceberg. Nixon resigned and fled because the last thing the Republicans wanted was for the rest of the scandals to be revealed. That’s why Gerald Ford stayed that the national nightmare was over. It was an edict, not a statement of fact.

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I had a provocative thought: (Original Post) PCIntern Oct 2019 OP
We are only being shone the sliver of the Venn diagram where the spheres of Atticus Oct 2019 #1
Yes. I read "Flatland" when I was about 12 years old. MineralMan Oct 2019 #2
I have a vague memory of that story... PCIntern Oct 2019 #3
The book I'm thinking of is "Dragon's Egg." MineralMan Oct 2019 #5
Dragon's Egg Sentath Oct 2019 #4
That's the one! I just found it, myself, once I remembered MineralMan Oct 2019 #6
Yes! PCIntern Oct 2019 #8
KnR for ....provoking thought Hekate Oct 2019 #7
Simply put, it boils down to competing idelogies. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #9
Ummm...yes PCIntern Oct 2019 #10
My point is I don't think there's some huge apparition that we can't comprehend. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #11
Oh really... PCIntern Oct 2019 #12
Do I think that all evidence of wrongdoing has been uncovered? Not even close. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #13
Some motives...not all. PCIntern Oct 2019 #14

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
1. We are only being shone the sliver of the Venn diagram where the spheres of
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:15 PM
Oct 2019

interest and influence overlap.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Yes. I read "Flatland" when I was about 12 years old.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:16 PM
Oct 2019

It changed how I looked at things and my perceptions of them. It also helped me begin to think about other-dimensional ideas.

In a way, that little book had an enormous impact on me and my intellect.

There is another science fiction book, the name of which I can't remember, that is about a planet with a very high gravity level, which makes everything living on that planet (or was it a neutron star) essentially two dimensional. They have an encounter with a spacecraft visiting the place. It's very interesting, in a similar way.

Sentath

(2,243 posts)
4. Dragon's Egg
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:29 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/N/neutronstarlife.html

Life forms on a neutron star was an imaginative and tongue-in-cheek suggestion by the radio astronomer Frank Drake,1 later developed and elaborated into two science fiction novels, Dragon's Egg and Starquake by Robert Forward.


I should read it some day.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. That's the one! I just found it, myself, once I remembered
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:34 PM
Oct 2019

that it was a neutron star. I remember thinking it was quite creative and thought-provoking.

I just realized that I couldn't have read Dragon's Egg as a teenager, since it was published in 1980. I was still reading science fiction then, though, but hard sci-fi had just about vanished and I had stopped reading much. "Dragon's Egg" gave me something in that genre to read again.

PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
8. Yes!
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:52 PM
Oct 2019

I had been thinking about a Heinlein story about bacteria and water organisms with consciousness evolving in a water planet once visited by humans who all died but created etched tablets and left them for guidance

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. Simply put, it boils down to competing idelogies.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:09 PM
Oct 2019

Right wingers in power are bent on destroying democratic institutions. And they rely heavily upon racism and sexism in order to bring about their form of fascism. It's not much more complicated than that.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. Do I think that all evidence of wrongdoing has been uncovered? Not even close.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:19 PM
Oct 2019

But I think we already know the motive.

PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
14. Some motives...not all.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:21 PM
Oct 2019

There’s a shitload of criminality out there. Motivations in order are money, sex, and power over others. Loads to go...

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