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highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:10 PM Oct 2019

Now Trump wants Mitt Romney impeached

A minute or two ago (I thought he was golfing today):





I’m hearing that the Great People of Utah are considering their vote for their Pompous Senator, Mitt Romney, to be a big mistake. I agree! He is a fool who is playing right into the hands of the Do Nothing Democrats! #IMPEACHMITTROMNEY
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Now Trump wants Mitt Romney impeached (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2019 OP
Oh ffs Ohiogal Oct 2019 #1
Exactly my feeling. RVN VET71 Oct 2019 #30
There goes those Adderall-fueled voices in his head again! TheBlackAdder Oct 2019 #2
Oh yippee lunatica Oct 2019 #3
I just read on the CNN site that even Tucker Carlson can't defend him on the Ukraine call. Vinca Oct 2019 #4
He does more projecting than Bell & Howell. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #5
LOL, who here remembers Bell & Howell dawg day Oct 2019 #14
Yep. Another big-name in film, along with Kodak. colorado_ufo Oct 2019 #25
Kodak 110. ;) Snackshack Oct 2019 #59
senators can be impeached ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #51
Senators aren't impeached, they are removed by the Senate. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #57
"aren't" is not "can't" Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #60
He's doing this to scare other Republicans... targetpractice Oct 2019 #6
And I hope they understand how the (R)epublicon brand was a sign of crookedness. erronis Oct 2019 #38
I agree with POTUS, impeach Romney (*& all the other Reps) Brainfodder Oct 2019 #7
err... senators can't be impeached...... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #40
yes they can Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #52
Or, in some states the voters can recall yellowdogintexas Oct 2019 #55
article 1 of the constitution supercedes whatever states enact.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #65
no, they can't... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #66
where does the Constitution say the House cannot impeach a Senator? Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #67
The house can vote that... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #69
that does not preclude impeachment by the House Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #70
It precludes the senate from having to act on it..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #71
the House impeached a Senator, you said they can't Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #72
He always begins his rounds around 10:00 A.M., and the typical 18-hole round takes bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #8
Right, do we understand trump wants folks from (Mormon) Utah Miigwech Oct 2019 #9
Utah is not going to turn on Romney. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2019 #21
Mormons have been uncomfortable with Trump from the start. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #22
it's not up to utah or its voters ..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #41
The point us that if Trump bad mouths Romney he leftyladyfrommo Oct 2019 #64
I never said.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #68
I really don't think Trump us stupid. I think he is leftyladyfrommo Oct 2019 #73
Exactly. The LDS community loves Romney as well as the Utah community and why wouldn't they? politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2019 #50
He's probably on the phone now trying to Jarqui Oct 2019 #10
He must be rained out because he's in full asshole mode today. Initech Oct 2019 #11
Apropos: tblue37 Oct 2019 #23
lol but gross. Cha Oct 2019 #47
I'm so stealing that one! Initech Oct 2019 #48
I stole it several days ago from a comment on someone's Twitter. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #49
+1 bronxiteforever Oct 2019 #54
Damn he's a fucking idiot malaise Oct 2019 #12
To quote one of my favorite characters: "I don't think that's a thing..." Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #13
Only Bishop could succeed Ziva liberaltrucker Oct 2019 #33
I was amazed at how she stepped in... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #35
Yep liberaltrucker Oct 2019 #45
He is the fool..😂😂😂😂nt helpisontheway Oct 2019 #15
No doubt he heard it from that Ketay guy. cwydro Oct 2019 #16
Good one, my dear cwydro! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #17
LOL! highplainsdem Oct 2019 #19
I could actually get behind that. OnDoutside Oct 2019 #18
LOL sinkingfeeling Oct 2019 #20
Trump plays a PR game to adulterate the term IMPEACH bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #24
When Mitt Romney is the face of courage and integrity in the Republican party. flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #26
LOL jcgoldie Oct 2019 #27
Dumbass! Senators. Can't. Be. Impeached. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #28
William Blount Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #32
it was 1797, and he was expelled, not impeached.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #42
he was impeached, but the Senate dismissed it Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #53
He was deffinitely impeached by the house but the senate voted narrowly Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #56
expulsion is actually a lower standard than impeachment..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #63
Do nothing? dustyscamp Oct 2019 #29
Hes basically lobbying votes for his conviction when he does that. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #31
"My word for today is 'IMPEACH.' I always have the best words!" struggle4progress Oct 2019 #34
Good! Fuck 'em both. Iggo Oct 2019 #36
Let the republican civil war begin philf99 Oct 2019 #37
Anybody but me. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #39
Whever he is, I'd hate to be around him right now. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #43
Donald Rump is such a fool. Doncha just hate his orange guts!! trueblue2007 Oct 2019 #44
That reminds me of the braying Cha Oct 2019 #46
Oh for God sakes! nancy1942 Oct 2019 #58
Look at the replies defending Trump on that twitter feed. OliverQ Oct 2019 #61
trump is an idiot-you cannot impeach a US senator Gothmog Oct 2019 #62
Romney is setting himself up to be the GOP heir apparent, knowing that Pence is also implicated in onetexan Oct 2019 #74

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
4. I just read on the CNN site that even Tucker Carlson can't defend him on the Ukraine call.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:12 PM
Oct 2019

When you've lost Tucker it's time to impeach yourself. LOL.

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
25. Yep. Another big-name in film, along with Kodak.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:37 PM
Oct 2019

I was glad when my Super 8 films were able to be put on DVDs!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
51. senators can be impeached ...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019

The one and only senator to be impeached was Blount in 1797, and the Senate dismissed it for lack of jurisdiction.

I'm jealous that The Dumbest Don hasn't called for my impeachment. I'm not special enough.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
57. Senators aren't impeached, they are removed by the Senate.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:45 PM
Oct 2019

Article I, Section 5, of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." Since 1789, the Senate has expelled only fifteen of its entire membership.

Blount's "impeachment" was really an expulsion.

While attempting to ensure that Blount would be present at his impeachment trial, it simultaneously declared him already guilty when it voted to expel him. In the succeeding months, the Senate unsuccessfully sought to take custody of Blount and return him to the capital. Although Blount graciously received the acting Senate sergeant at arms at his home, the unrepentant Tennessean's supporters and state authorities warned the official to make no attempt to remove their friend.

Despite Blount's absence, his impeachment trial began in the Senate on December 17, 1798, and quickly focused on the Senate's right to try an expelled senator. In a narrow vote, the Senate defeated a resolution that asserted William Blount was an impeachable officer. In this vote, the Senate failed to make clear whether its decision stemmed from a belief that no senator could be impeached or from the belief that someone who ceased to hold a "civil office" also ceased to be impeachable.

Both Republicans and Federalists found it awkward to take political advantage of the Blount case. Federalist proponents of impeachment were in the uncomfortable position of supporting a House move to impeach a senator, thus compromising the Senate’s independence of the lower chamber. Republican supporters of Blount, on the other hand, faced the double dilemma of defending both the Federalist Senate and the treasonous Tennessean who had sought to benefit Great Britain, the nation the Federalists were often accused of favoring.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/Blount_expulsion.htm

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
60. "aren't" is not "can't"
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:07 PM
Oct 2019

It was a futile impeachment, but that doesn't mean the House couldn't do it. If they did so again, I would expect the Senate to again refuse to convict, simply because it intrudes on the Senate's power to punish its own members.

Each house of Congress jealously guards its powers, which is as it should be.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

Article I, Section 2:
[ ... ]
The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.

Article I, Section 3:
[ ... ]
The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments.
[ ... ]
Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.


That statement including the punishment of "removal from office" implies impeachment can be brought for any person in a federal office.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
6. He's doing this to scare other Republicans...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:13 PM
Oct 2019

...Because, he is very scared himself.

The only upside of Trump's presidency will be that the general population will have a better understanding of narcissistic personality disorder by the time it's over.

erronis

(15,299 posts)
38. And I hope they understand how the (R)epublicon brand was a sign of crookedness.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:15 PM
Oct 2019

trump/dump/shit-hole was just a pimple on the anus of the (R)epuglicons.

Maybe a carbuncle is a good term.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
40. err... senators can't be impeached......
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:16 PM
Oct 2019

They have to be expelled by the senate itself. It still takes a 2/3 vote according to current rules though.

Of course, the great turtle of moscow makes the rules, so who knows what will happen.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
66. no, they can't...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:35 PM
Oct 2019

blount was expelled, not impeached. The senate rejected the house vote, but decided on their own to expell him.

They don't require or recognize a house vote to remove a senator.

Article 1 stuff,

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
67. where does the Constitution say the House cannot impeach a Senator?
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:37 PM
Oct 2019

Blount was expelled by the Senate, but that does not erase the fact that the House impeached.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
69. The house can vote that...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:42 PM
Oct 2019

the earth is flat. It doesn't compell the senate to take it up for a vote.

"Article 1, Section 5, of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member."" - that quote is from the senates website.

That's where it says it. Both the house and senate jealously guard this right.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
71. It precludes the senate from having to act on it.....
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:52 PM
Oct 2019

They can simply ignore it. The constitution makes it clear. The senate, and only the senate, decides its membership. Period. No other options.

The house can make whatever votes they want, They can call it anything they want.

It doesn't matter to the senate.

Just like the house doesn't have to ask the senate if they can expell a member. They don't.

The constitution trumps all. Even trump.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
72. the House impeached a Senator, you said they can't
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:11 PM
Oct 2019

Saying they can't does not change the facts.

They did. They can again. The U.S. Constitution says they can.

It does not matter that the Senate dismissed the impeachment. It does not matter whether or not they would do so again. The House has the power to do so, even if it's ultimately futile.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
8. He always begins his rounds around 10:00 A.M., and the typical 18-hole round takes
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

about 4 hours, so it's clear he decided to pull it out at the "19th hole", right after the Adderall hit.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
9. Right, do we understand trump wants folks from (Mormon) Utah
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

to turn on one of their own, a Bishop in the Mormon Church, a beloved leader .... ain't gonna happen dotard, LOL

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
21. Utah is not going to turn on Romney.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:47 PM
Oct 2019

However if Trump keeps this insanity up they could very well turn on Trump.

Mormons are very family, church oriented. It's woven into the very fabric of their lives and social systems.
They are not going to like this vulgar, ethically empty excuse for a human.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
41. it's not up to utah or its voters .....
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:18 PM
Oct 2019

Well, until the next election he runs in anyway.

It's solely up to 2/3 of the senate.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
64. The point us that if Trump bad mouths Romney he
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:32 PM
Oct 2019

Has just alienated the Mormon voters. And that isn't just Utah. There are lots of Mormons in Idaho and Wyoming and Arizona. There are lots of Mormons in that whole part if the country. Mormons stick together.

I lived in that area for 6 years and I am not crazy about the religion but I liked the people.

It is just such a stupid thing to do.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
68. I never said....
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:37 PM
Oct 2019

trump was smart. He isn't even a perfect idiot. Just plain old dumb as a rock ignorant.

Otherwise I agree with you.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
73. I really don't think Trump us stupid. I think he is
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:22 PM
Oct 2019

just completely crippled by a personality disorder.

My mother was a narcissist and so was her sister. Those people are really broken. They are so sensitive to any perceived criticism that they can barely function. And they always keep score and they never forget. They live for paybacks. And vengeful?

My mother and her sister were smart. But they wasted so much of their lives ruminating about perceived insults and getting even. Normal people can't even begin to understand just how vicious those people can be. And they get off on it. They are constantly trying to prove to themselves and other people how superior they are.

I don't know what causes it . I tend to think they are just plain wired wrong.

There are about 8 million Mormons in the US and Trump just managed to offend probably all 8 million with just one super vengeful tweet. Most of those people probably vote the way the Bishop tells them to. (Not all of them go to church but they are still heavily influenced by their family and their society).

They are interesting people and it's a fascinating religion.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
50. Exactly. The LDS community loves Romney as well as the Utah community and why wouldn't they?
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:20 PM
Oct 2019

He's one of them, and he's everything that Trump IS NOT; a decent human being.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
10. He's probably on the phone now trying to
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:24 PM
Oct 2019

get Ukraine to impeach Mitt in exchange for some arms ...

Trump's corrupt world is starting to cave in on him.

The way it's going, it won't be long before Mitch McConnell can raise more money by assuring donors he will vote to impeach Trump.

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
13. To quote one of my favorite characters: "I don't think that's a thing..."
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:34 PM
Oct 2019
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bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
24. Trump plays a PR game to adulterate the term IMPEACH
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:33 PM
Oct 2019

Everyone wants Trump impeached, so Trump will have an impeach list with 76 names on it. Soon everyone will be laughing at it.

He's a manipulator

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
32. William Blount
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:58 PM
Oct 2019

Senator from TN was impeached in 1787


But i think that changed since. Interested in the history of this rule...

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
42. it was 1797, and he was expelled, not impeached....
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:23 PM
Oct 2019

United States Senate Expulsion Cases

Date: 1797

Member: William Blount (R-TN)

Charge: Anti-Spanish conspiracy; treason

Result: Expelled

The power of the house and senate to police their own members is in article 1 of the constitution. It's been that way since day 1.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
53. he was impeached, but the Senate dismissed it
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:32 PM
Oct 2019

Only the House can impeach and only the Senate can try impeachments.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
56. He was deffinitely impeached by the house but the senate voted narrowly
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:44 PM
Oct 2019

That he not an impeachable officer.

"Despite Blount's absence, his impeachment trial began in the Senate on December 17, 1798, and quickly focused on the Senate's right to try an expelled senator. In a narrow vote, the Senate defeated a resolution that asserted William Blount was an impeachable officer."

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/Blount_expulsion.htm

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
63. expulsion is actually a lower standard than impeachment.....
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:30 PM
Oct 2019

It doesn't require a house vote.

Fwiw, this is the only case other than civil war senators where a senator was expelled from the senate. So it isn't common by any means.

Treason is the only grounds it has worked. Hmmmmm.


dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
29. Do nothing?
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:46 PM
Oct 2019

We need to show this conjob & the American people that the Democratic congress have been doing something, but the Cons have been sending good legislation to the graveyard

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
31. Hes basically lobbying votes for his conviction when he does that.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:54 PM
Oct 2019

The next person to give lukewarm criticism of him will get the same response, and just encourage them to vote for conviction as well...

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
43. Whever he is, I'd hate to be around him right now.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:25 PM
Oct 2019

He's shitting his pants non-stop, and the stench must be unbearable. This is just his latest stinking pantload.

Cha

(297,292 posts)
46. That reminds me of the braying
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:48 PM
Oct 2019

psycho being "told President Obama was not born in the USA".

Fucking Lunatic

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
61. Look at the replies defending Trump on that twitter feed.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:15 PM
Oct 2019

Are they all bots? It's just so ridiculous how many people are now calling for Romney to be impeached and claiming he's a terrible Senator just because Trump said it.

onetexan

(13,042 posts)
74. Romney is setting himself up to be the GOP heir apparent, knowing that Pence is also implicated in
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:38 AM
Oct 2019

Dumpster's mess.

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