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mopinko

(70,120 posts) Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:14 PM Oct 2019

is 25a a way out of impeachment?

it occurs to me that springing 25a at this point, in light of his recent tweet about his wisdom, and the spiraling chaos would be the fastest way to end this mess. maybe when the thugs come out from under their rocks the republican party will decide it is time to stop the madman.
25a would get it done w/o the blood letting and the discovery.

they know in their little black cinders of hearts that they will have to vote to impeach and soon.
i honestly believe the medical evidence is a short trip to walter reed away.

25a=cya?

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is 25a a way out of impeachment? (Original Post) mopinko Oct 2019 OP

They love him Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #1

He keeps threatening to nuke. dawg day Oct 2019 #2

Of course not. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #3

Pence would have to initiate it along w the cabinet, some of whom are "acting" or true cultists... hlthe2b Oct 2019 #4

Here is the 25th Amendment BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #5

Charles Grassley is the Senate president pro tempore Shrek Oct 2019 #7

Thank you BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #9

McConnell is the Majority leader of the Senate. rsdsharp Oct 2019 #8

Thank you and agree BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10

Lol, not with this cabinet, no jberryhill Oct 2019 #6

Whoever composed the 25th Amendment was an optimist DFW Oct 2019 #11

Have you read that Amendment? MineralMan Oct 2019 #12

an mri that shows his brain is swiss cheese would not count? mopinko Oct 2019 #13

Again, read the Amendment and see how it is implemented. MineralMan Oct 2019 #14

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)

1. They love him

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:15 PM

Oct 2019

The 25th amendment will never be used on Trump. The Republicans in power that would have to support it love Trump or are beholden to him.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)

2. He keeps threatening to nuke.

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:18 PM

Oct 2019

Doesn't that move them?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)

3. Of course not.

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:19 PM

Oct 2019

Their objection to impeachment isn't that there will be discovery. Their objection is that they would have to take a stand against a president their base loves. Invoking the 25th is qualitatively no different. They won't do it.

hlthe2b

(102,289 posts)

4. Pence would have to initiate it along w the cabinet, some of whom are "acting" or true cultists...

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:19 PM

Oct 2019

I'm sure they have no intention of doing so even if they have to lock him in the WH "attick"...

BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)

5. Here is the 25th Amendment

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:19 PM

Oct 2019

Amendment XXV
Section 1.

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3.

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv

I.e., good luck getting the "President Pro Tempore" doing/agreeing to anything of the sort. (EDITED to Assley.)

Lots of hurdles there given the Senate problem (let alone whoever is left in the cabinet).

Shrek

(3,981 posts)

7. Charles Grassley is the Senate president pro tempore

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:29 PM

Oct 2019

Mitch McConnell is the majority leader.

BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)

9. Thank you

Reply to Shrek (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:34 PM

Oct 2019

The Pro Tem is actually elected by the rest of the body as I confirmed!

rsdsharp

(9,186 posts)

8. McConnell is the Majority leader of the Senate.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:29 PM

Oct 2019

Grassley is President Pro Tempore.

Either way, he 25th amendment is not viable in this situation. We will never get Pence and a majority of the cabinet to turn on Trump. If they did, Trump would say he's not incapable of discharging his duties. That would require an eventual vote of 2/3 of both the House and the Senate to remove Trump; a bigger hurdle than impeachment.

BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)

10. Thank you and agree

Reply to rsdsharp (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:35 PM

Oct 2019

Even if Pence decided to go all Brutus, he wouldn't have the backing of hardly anyone else.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

6. Lol, not with this cabinet, no

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:23 PM

Oct 2019

DFW

(54,403 posts)

11. Whoever composed the 25th Amendment was an optimist

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:41 PM

Oct 2019

They assumed that the President and Vice-President would never be equally as bat-shit crazy at the same time.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

12. Have you read that Amendment?

Reply to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:05 PM

Oct 2019

I presume not, since there's no possibility of it being used under the current circumstances.

mopinko

(70,120 posts)

13. an mri that shows his brain is swiss cheese would not count?

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:09 PM

Oct 2019

i realize that it requires the turning of the worm. but let's face it, the worm must turn at some point, and it seems to be wriggling a bit.

and if twitler decides he prefers the insanity defense, a stroke is easy to fake.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

14. Again, read the Amendment and see how it is implemented.

Reply to mopinko (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:11 PM

Oct 2019

There is no way it will happen, given the current situation. It is much easier to remove a President through the impeachment process.

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