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BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 03:47 PM Oct 2019

Statement from the Speaker of the House



TEXT
Nancy Pelosi

@SpeakerPelosi

Once again, @realDonaldTrump is deserting an ally in a foolish attempt to appease a foreign strongman – this time betraying our Kurdish allies who have been instrumental partners in our mission to eradicate ISIS. https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/10719


Pelosi Statement on President Trump’s Announced Withdrawal from Northern Syria
October 7, 2019

Press Release

San Francisco – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement following President Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Northern Syria:

“The President’s decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Northern Syria is a deeply disturbing development that betrays our Kurdish allies who have been instrumental partners in our mission to eradicate ISIS. Despite what the President might say, ISIS remains a serious threat. This reckless, misguided decision undermines the efforts by our brave servicemembers and our allies to end ISIS’s tyranny.

“Once again, President Trump is deserting an ally in a foolish attempt to appease an authoritarian strongman. By turning operational responsibility over to the Turks, President Trump has abandoned our Kurdish partners. This decision poses a dire threat to regional security and stability, and sends a dangerous message to Iran and Russia, as well as our allies, that the United States is no longer a trusted partner.

“The President must reverse this dangerous decision. The American people deserve a smart, strong and strategic national security policy that keeps America safe.”

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/10719
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Statement from the Speaker of the House (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP
Moscow Mitch and the Russiapublicans must be proud of Komrad TrumPutin now Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #1
Even Leningrad Lindsey seems mildly concerned. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #4
"seems" is the relevant keyword for the traitorous GOP Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #5
Our so-called president is the lapdog of tyrants. olegramps Oct 2019 #8
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2019 #14
Hey! Russia public and! Hermit, that's EXCELLENT! calimary Oct 2019 #28
Difficult to not interpret this decision as being in Putins interest. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #2
On his birthday too. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #3
Happy Birthday Put-In ... aggiesal Oct 2019 #6
It must be asked, did the Kurds refuse to drum up dirt on Bidens? flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #7
Anyone else remember SCVDem Oct 2019 #9
That is what Lil' Lindsey was claiming - i.e., he thought it was an Obama tweet to withdraw BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10
Twitter reply : Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #11
Another one was hilarious BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #18
Who wrote that? Susan Collins? Grins Oct 2019 #12
Remember BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #13
Thank you StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #23
you ought to email her office and suggest she start an impeachment... certainot Oct 2019 #17
Yeah! She needs to stop treating him with kid gloves! StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #24
The Kurds have little land,... very nomadic,... crossing borders looking for refuge and a place to,. magicarpet Oct 2019 #15
An informative and thoughtful post. Thank you for sharing this, magicarpet. nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2019 #21
Thank you Madam Speaker! ffr Oct 2019 #16
She just invoked the Poppy Bush doctrine BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #19
:(.. Mahalo, Nancy.. Cha Oct 2019 #20
Kicked and recommended, thanks BumRushDaShow. nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2019 #22
Gee, those are beautiful towers you have in Istanbul - I'd hate to see anything happen to them... panfluteman Oct 2019 #25
It might be important to Newest Reality Oct 2019 #26
I disagree malthaussen Oct 2019 #27
Richard Engel reports of development deal dangling. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #29
I wouldn't be surprised.... BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #30
He's squalid, crooked, and treasonous. Mc Mike Oct 2019 #31

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
7. It must be asked, did the Kurds refuse to drum up dirt on Bidens?
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:45 PM
Oct 2019

He's been asking everyone else.

Oh wait, I see it's Putin's birthday. Wow that present even got Dump's mealymouthed cronies to squawk, if feebly.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
12. Who wrote that? Susan Collins?
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:55 PM
Oct 2019
“The President’s decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Northern Syria is a deeply disturbing...”

Who wrote that? Susan Collins?

This is not harsh enough nor pointed enough. By far!

BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)
13. Remember
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 05:12 PM
Oct 2019

that the President has control over the military -

Article II

...

Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii


Fortunately the Speaker knows the Constitution despite the President having little or no clue and only following the advice from whoever he spoke to "last". The rest of her statement including the - "This reckless, misguided decision" - takes her rhetoric a bit further as a note.

The problem is not the House but the Senate and their outrage needs to continue to ratchet up.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
15. The Kurds have little land,... very nomadic,... crossing borders looking for refuge and a place to,.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 05:32 PM
Oct 2019

.... park their families safely from warmonger/war lords.

trDump knows Turkey is far richer with reserve assets for any future commercial development - office, hotel, residential (trDump) tower projects. Plenty of land in Turkey just waiting for an up scale developer to come along and make everyone with their fingers in Turkey's land development pie filthy - filthy rich.

trDump says fuck the Kurds,... trDump's corrupt ambitions needs investors with very fat wallets and deep pockets so he can develop land with truck loads and truck loads of laundered money so he can make a financial killing on each and every project.

Look up team trDump's and daughter Ivanka using highly questionable laundered funds mostly from Iran's Revolutionary Guards to develop the trDump Tower (in Afghanistan), excuse me incorrect,.. this trDump Tower development was in Azerbaijan. The development project was finished three years ago and trDump Tower Azerbaijan still remains vacant. It was a sham money laundering development that went belly up.

Link to trDump Tower finished just prior to the 2016 election,.. then mysteriously disappeared off the radar screen,.. the project was like a Mafia land development.

But now the trDump Team would rather
no one mentions this open cesspool that went belly up. And caught on fire a few times.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal/amp


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_and_Tower_(Baku)

BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)
19. She just invoked the Poppy Bush doctrine
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 06:31 PM
Oct 2019


TEXT
Nancy Pelosi

@SpeakerPelosi

Generations of US leaders have understood that accepting – let alone seeking out – political favors from foreign countries is unacceptable. Republicans who say otherwise today are putting loyalty to Trump ahead of our national security. #TruthExposed https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/us/politics/trump-foreign-influence.html


... from the linked NYT article -

‘We Absolutely Could Not Do That’: When Seeking Foreign Help Was Out of the Question



By Peter Baker

Oct. 6, 2019

WASHINGTON — One day in October 1992, four Republican congressmen showed up in the Oval Office with an audacious recommendation. President George Bush was losing his re-election race, and they told him the only way to win was to hammer his challenger Bill Clinton’s patriotism for protesting the Vietnam War while in London and visiting Moscow as a young man.

Mr. Bush was largely on board with that approach. But what came next crossed the line, as far as he and his team were concerned. “They wanted us to contact the Russians or the British to seek information on Bill Clinton’s trip to Moscow,” James A. Baker III, Mr. Bush’s White House chief of staff, wrote in a memo later that day. “I said we absolutely could not do that.”

President Trump insists he and his attorney general did nothing wrong by seeking damaging information about his domestic opponents from Ukraine, Australia, Italy and Britain or by publicly calling on China to investigate his most prominent Democratic challenger. But for every other White House in the modern era, Republican and Democratic, the idea of enlisting help from foreign powers for political advantage was seen as unwise and politically dangerous, if not unprincipled.

A survey of 10 former White House chiefs of staff under Presidents Ronald Reagan, Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama found that none recalled any circumstance under which the White House had solicited or accepted political help from other countries, and all said they would have considered the very idea out of bounds.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/us/politics/trump-foreign-influence.html

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
25. Gee, those are beautiful towers you have in Istanbul - I'd hate to see anything happen to them...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:55 AM
Oct 2019

And that's all Erdogan needs to say to Trump to get him to roll over and submit. The guy's so vulnerable, compromised and full of conflicts of interest that he is silly putty in the hands of authoritarian strongmen. This is gangster diplomacy, folks - and maybe the only kind of diplomacy that Mafia Don understands.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
26. It might be important to
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:08 AM
Oct 2019

It might be important to also note that "terrorism" is an ideology. All these years we have been hearing the word used to indicate a rather vague enemy in that sense. It has been used to justify many actions.

Okay, so that being considered, it is a threat. What does Trump's action do in relation to that? He has provided fuel for that ideology, plain and simple. This is what happens when there is little knowledge of what is going on and no concern for the long-term impacts.

Any terrorist propaganda, pamphlets and recruiting feeds on something like this egregious betrayal. They will point out how America cannot be trusted and will betray you in order to destroy you. Sounds like a win for terrorism and ISIS and so, we may see a real resurgence and increase in terrorism as a price for this fool's folly and self-interests.

How's that for diplomacy, example and detente? Winning?

malthaussen

(17,202 posts)
27. I disagree
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:31 AM
Oct 2019

I don't think he's "appeasing" anybody. I think he a) mostly doesn't care, because he has the understanding of cabbage, and b) really grooves on Erdogen and is in favor of him kicking Mid-East butt.

-- Mal

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
29. Richard Engel reports of development deal dangling.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:48 PM
Oct 2019

Though not specifically saying his company could benefit, he was speaking his language - Developmentese.

BumRushDaShow

(129,077 posts)
30. I wouldn't be surprised....
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:01 PM
Oct 2019

since he is deep in it with Turkey.

Ivanka Tweet Thanking Turkey's Erdogan for Attending Istanbul Trump Towers Launch Re-Emerges Amid Syria Controversy

By David Brennan On 10/7/19 at 8:11 AM EDT

U.S. troops have been withdrawn from positions in northern Syria ahead of an imminent Turkish military operation into the region, which will pit Ankara's troops against America's Kurdish allies who bore the brunt of the coalition operations against ISIS in Syria. Trump has wanted U.S. troops out of northern and eastern Syria for some time. However, he has remained publicly supportive of the Kurdish authorities there, which have liberated the region from occupying ISIS forces. But on Sunday, the president abruptly announced that American troops would not stand in the way of a Turkish military offensive against the Kurds, despite earlier suggestions that the U.S. would look out for Kurdish interests.

As the world reacted to America's sudden abandonment of its most trusted and effective local allies, a tweet from Trump's daughter Ivanka resurfaced, detailing a relevant conflict of interest regarding relations with Turkey. "Thank you Prime Minister Erdogan for joining us yesterday to celebrate the launch of #TrumpTowers Istanbul!" Ivanka wrote in April 2012. The construction—made up of two conjoined towers—is one of seven current Trump Towers locations. Trump has promised to keep his business empire separate, handing over control of his commercial operations to sons Eric and Donald Jr. for the duration of his time in office. Trump has refused to fully divest from his empire, in what critics have said was a violation of the Constitution's emoluments clause.

Multiple investigations and reports allege that Trump has been personally profiting from the presidency, using the office to bolster income at his resorts, hotels and other businesses. Foreign officials, for example, have been spending huge sums at his properties, in an effort to ingratiate themselves with his administration. Social media users expressed concern that Trump's businesses interests in Turkey may have prompted, or at least influenced, his decision to allow Erdogan to go ahead with his military offensive.

Ryan Lizza, Politico's chief Washington correspondent explained on Twitter that situations like this "is why presidents divest." "It is crazy that a president is making national security decisions like the one tonight when he has lucrative business relationships at stake in the country that will benefit," Lizza added.

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-tweet-thanking-turkey-erdogan-attending-istanbul-trump-towers-launch-syria-controversy-1463536



Trump’s Plan in Syria Comes Complete With a Glaring Conflict of Interest

By Jack Holmes
Oct 7, 2019

Donald Trump—the man we've seen fit to give enormous power to shape world events the consequences of which will reverberate through the duration of our mortal lives—has few admirable qualities. One is his at least rhetorical aversion to Endless War, and his impulse to extricate the United States from conflicts in which no one can tell us what victory even looks like. However, it is more than offset by other features of his psyche, not least his militant incuriosity about the world and his impulsive decision-making process.

All of the above were on show with his decision to abandon our Kurdish allies in northern Syria and allow the area to be invaded—and likely dominated—by Turkey. Trump made the seemingly snap decision overnight after a call with Turkey's authoritarian strongman Recep Tayyip Erdogan Sunday. This has even earned pushback from reliable Trump toads like Lindsey Graham and Fox & Friend Brian Kilmeade. Already, the president's former special envoy on ISIS has released a scorching assessment of the decision, which completely contradicts all policy planning by Trump's own military and diplomatic corps. But while Brett McGurk's assessment of Trump holds water ("He makes impulsive decisions with no knowledge or deliberation. He sends military personnel into harm’s way with no backing. He blusters and then leaves our allies exposed when adversaries call his bluff." ), there's another factor worth considering. "I have a little conflict of interest 'cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul," Trump said in December 2015. "It's a tremendously successful job. It's called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two."

The way to neutralize this conflict of interest, of course, would have been for the president to fully divest from his private business holdings when he took public office and pledged to represent the interests of the American people. That was the way to assuage concerns about the sprawling web of foreign business interests that he still maintains, which hangs like a dark cloud over every decision he makes with respect to American foreign policy. Did he shield Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman from consequences for the murder of American-resident journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year because he thought the alliance with Saudi Arabia was too valuable to jeopardize, the same way past American presidents have excused Saudi atrocities? Or was it because the Saudis are putting money in his pocket?

The same questions apply here. Did he sign onto Erdogan's plan on the phone call because he's an easy mark? Or because he wants to join the league of autocrats who are not accountable to anyone within their borders, free to run their crony-capitalist kleptocracies? Or because he wants to protect a specific business interest in the Turkish capital that he's already admitted presents a conflict? Did Erdogan convince him that this was good policy for the United States, or did he convince him that it would be good for his wallet?

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a29385848/donald-trump-syria-kurds-turkey-trump-tower-istanbul/

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