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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump pulls United States out of military treaty that allows surveillance of Russia: report
One of the key benefits to the treaty is that it allows the United States and its allies to fly over Russian airspace for the purpose of gathering intelligence 42 overflights of Russian territory per year are permitted under the treaty, including 16 overflights by the United States specifically. These flyovers were important to monitoring Russia as they invaded and occupied the Crimean Peninsula.
[link:https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-pulls-united-states-out-of-military-treaty-that-allows-surveillance-of-russia-report/|]
Heh. At this point the Puppet Master Putin is getting whatever he can as the ship sinks. And Trump does not give a fuck cause he knows he is going down...
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)He is a genius, you know.
underpants
(182,826 posts)htuttle
(23,738 posts)It's Vlad's birthday, and Trump is giving him all sorts of gifts today.
underpants
(182,826 posts)Putin's October...it's only the 7th
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212556721
htuttle
(23,738 posts)...and it won't stop.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)He must smell the walls craving on him. I'm pretty sure the USA still have eyes and ears on Russia.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Tom Nichols, said "There is literally NO reason to do this . . . "
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Docreed2003
(16,862 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)They should align them to pick up the slack and disregard any BS that Dump tries to decree.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Benedict Donald.
dchill
(38,502 posts)Even after he's gone down, he'll go on creating his own reality show in his own liddl' head. There's a bend and he's already around it.
erronis
(15,299 posts)No, wishful thinking.
But it'll be fun watching him crash after a lifetime of coke and stimulants and depressants. After a lifetime of a "high" life and the guy in the bunk next to him doesn't even want to give a shit.
Please, let this be on T.V. Just like the last days of Saddam.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Love, Your Adoring Little Marmalade Blini, Donny
yaesu
(8,020 posts)GemDigger
(4,305 posts)I wish that dumb fuck would stroke out... tonight.
I also wish every dumb fuck congress person that lost their balls also strokes out... tonight.
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)wss2001
(53 posts)Just in case his favorite store is closed(impeached and removed from office).
keithbvadu2
(36,823 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)runs to avoid prosecution for his crimes.
But maybe we can see him from Sarah Palin's house.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,504 posts)Everything Trump doe benefits Putin.
KPN
(15,646 posts)waning, so blow everything up now while we can.
I dont care what anyone says or thinks, we are watching treason before our eyes. Semantics, technicalities and legalese be damned. This is treason.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)We can fly over Russia and observe and they can fly over us. This ends that.
Of course, this also poses some other problems. What about Crimea? Or occupied Georgia?
Also the whole point of this treaty was to watch each others troop deployments. Obviously our deployments are a bit public. Not so much in Russia. Is Putin planning more deployments? Such as near Ukraine? Or somewhere else we don't expect, don't think he'll go after the Baltics....controlling regions that resented Moscow's rule helped bring down the USSR. But are there other areas we don't see on the radar?
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I had figured that Satellites had taken over that job by now.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I wonder if the Russians are subject to the same no fly zones that US pilots are?
While I haven't flown in over 20 years now and long before 9/11, even back then there were plenty of places that would get you into a whole heap of trouble if you flew over.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,924 posts)But the catch is the restrictions are in the details. The flights are scheduled, the routes preapproved, and the sensor suite is nothing special as it all has to be approved and available to all signatories. Resolution on the cameras is limited by treaty. Observers from the country being flown over also ride along on the flight.
From an intelligence viewpoint, these flights provide very little for the reasons listed above. It's more of a friendly gesture then an actual intelligence asset.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)satellite imagery is great but doesn't show everything. Flyovers are more targeted by location and have different types of sensors. It's mostly a gesture of goodwill through transparency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Doesnt withdrawing mean other countrys militaries cant overflight America? That could be pretty convenient in some situations.
I worry about that as much as other countries using this as a reason to also withdraw.
As long as NATO remains intact and our allies share intelligence and they keep overflight rights losing our overflight doesnt matter so much.
Us being blind or more invisible worries me.