and target next year.

And maybe Trump won’t be there for the next election as outraged as he made Republicans today.

to target anyway.

A vote (yea or nay) on the Articles of Impeachment will be held.

It has to be now.

If it is not, we place the entire House and POTUS election in huge danger. Also, and even worse, a final vote that fails pretty much seals those deals to an even larger degree.

The die is cast, Pelosi crossed the Rubicon already. There is no way to put the genie back into the bottle.

He was all over any competitive race in 2018. He did rallies, he tweeted against our candidates. That's going to be happening again in 2020 no matter what we do.

He'll just find another excuse and the Democrats will have set a precedent for jumping through his hoops.

Don’t give in to the demands of criminals

The only vote needed is on the articles of impeachment

only the Dems?

By doing so they will give the repubs certain powers including to subpoena which will create a total shit show. It also would force the dems to provide repubs with more information on witnesses, including whistle blowers, which is exactly the reason these assholes and the head asshole are asking for this. It is dangerous.

what will they grasp on to next?
let them twist in the fucking wind.

also, i would like to see an urgent action. stick a pin in this moment as say no more than this.
before he gets a million people killed.

maybe he'll jump.

politics is the very last thing we need now...its what people are getting sick of, politics.

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And it IS about her for some people.

On one hand, stand up and declare unequivocally "AYE" regardless of any political thought whatsoever. People yearning for moral clarity.

Or

Don't vote cuz what would trump say? (Already says whatever) What would trump do? (Already brazen and emboldened) And then Republicans will call Dems one-sided (already do) and then what would we do? and then people might get mad at us and hold it against us and not vote for us anymore? and we don't have to stand up because it's not a law to vote.

It's letting him call the shots AND setting a bad precedent. And he'll just up the ante and come up with some other hoop for her to jump through.

She knows what she's doing and is smart enough not to take his bait or to listen to the people who don't know a tiny fraction of what she does but who think they should tell her how to do her job.

i just dont see the down side, and it would be more than a couple of news cycles that he would have to nuke pittsburgh to get off the front page.
if should could get a dozen thug reps by the short hairs to vote w us, he might just quit.

if she thought calling a vote on this was to the Democrats advantage, she have done it. The fact that she hasn't means she doesn't think it's best. Doing it means that Trump is calling the shots and go to her into doing something she originally did not intend to do.

Another problem is that it puts too many members on the spot when it's not necessary. if the point is to get an impeachment inquiry moving, that's happening. There's no reason, at this point, to undermine Democratic members who may not be ready to go on the record and and may have no option but to vote no at this stage in order not to antagonize their constituents. and it would be very difficult for a Member to turn around and vote in favor of impeachment after voting no unopening an impeachment inquiry.

Not to mention the precedent it would set if the Speaker of the House acquiesces to the GOP insistence that a formal vote is required to open an impeachment inquiry.

As I said, Pelosi knows what she's doing. She's gamed this out far more than any of us have and if the upside outweighed the downside, she'd do it. The fact that she's not doing it should tell us all something.

I'm explaining why your latest approach could actually prevent an impeachment from occurring - but you probably already know that.

Fortunately, Pelosi and the Democrats aren't being influenced by the naysaying know-it-alls who think they're fooling people by continually moving the goalposts on a field Pelosi isn't even playing on.

wondering what the what. They are having Impeachment hearings but won't stand up and vote to say they are?? Curiously unexplainable.

that Pelosi wouldn't come out and call it an impeachment inquiry. Now Pelosi has come out and called it an impeachment inquiry in no uncertain terms and you're fussing because she won't hold a vote to say they're conducting an impeachment inquiry.

I have a feeling the House could hold the vote you're now demanding today and, even if Speaker Pelosi came to your house to deliver the results to you personally, you'd STILL find a new reason to complain about what she and they aren't doing to your satisfaction.

will be played up big by the media—social and traditional and everyone will know about it.

No one is even talking about a vote on the impeachment inquiry but a few repugs, Beto and us here on DU. It's a non-issue and I don't get at all why Beto would publicly go against the Speaker's decision like that.

that's what he does...speaks from his gut.

But then , you can't teach instinctive siding with what is the right thing.

How many things have we won the other way? Closest was emergency declaration but that didn't work out either.

When you can't out monster the monster.....

moves so far despite the naysayers.

he's committed since April 4th when Mueller report came out. Silence important because he for sure would do worse. And of course he did.

the House rules are what the majority party decides they are. SCOTUS has said as much in the past regarding Senate rules, which I assume would apply to the House as well.

What will that get us? Nothing.

Impulse be about politics?

It's not legally required. How does it change anything? It doesn't give the House more power. It won't prevent the White House from ignoring subpoenas, so what does it accomplish.

Beto should let the people responsible for this handle it and focus on his campaign.

Telling the Speaker of the House to cave in to Trump's bullshit demands to hold an unnecessary vote isn't "standing up for what's right." As I said, it's just a stupid suggestion.

Funny how people who demanded an impeachment inquiry be started now that an impeachment inquiry has started, are demanding that the House now hold a vote to authorize the impeachment inquiry they've already started.

talking points? God! How disappointing. A vote for impeachment inquiry is not required by the Constitution. The Speaker of the House sets policy in the House not specified by the Constitution.

Fuck demands from the repugs and Dems duped by their bullshit.

Beto, grow a pair.

There will be a House vote on Articles of Impeachment, which is required by the Constitution.

God, I hate us Democrats calling for us being weaklings ready to yield to repug demands.

We should not give in to Republican demands.

not repugs. Do not push that repug talking point.

There will be a House vote on Articles of Impeachment, which is required by the Constitution.

God, I hate us Democrats calling for us being weaklings ready to yield to repug demands.

Republican talking points and to suggest that is very insulting. And why do we even care what the hell they say anyway. If they can turn a tan suit into a talking point..they can turn anything into a talking point. Hell, they are already saying we aren't voting because we don't have enough votes so what does it matter?

Thankfully Beto speaks up for the right thing to do! I applaud him. It seems like forever ago that we had someone who first thought about what is right then about politics.

They will get their chance to vote on the Articles of Impeachment as outlined by the Constitution.

2018 and the blue wave was putting Dems in charge in the House. The Speaker sets policy and she doesn't have to have a vote for an inquiry.

And why are we questioning the decision of the Speaker who has proven time and again how wise her leadership has been in the face of all the doubters?

I'm with Speaker Pelosi and her decision. We Dems need to be together now at this critical time in the nation's history as there's a madman in the White House.

to do with what "they" say about anything.

after she snatched away the “she’s too weak to impeach” billy club they tried to bash her with and then she walked all over their fallback “she’s too much of a coward to actually call it impeachment” claim, the next resort is to spread Republican talking points deriding her for not performing a useless and futile act upon Trump’s command.

Umm...yes. Exactly. That’s the point.

It’s not required. They’re just trying to use it as an excuse to not cooperate. But there will just be another reason to not cooperate if we concede this point.

They’re not acting in good faith.

they may be voting actual articles of impeachment by weeks end!

for articles and not vote to approve the investigation that is the foundation for those articles lol.

If we are waiting for repukes to come on board that may take...well, never.

like it's weird to confess openly about committing a crime and then doing it again in front of cameras just to be sure.

I still wonder how long the whole process would take from start to conclusion.

I looked up the Clinton impeachment and the process took around five months all together.

I can't see Trump having that much time to kick America in the teeth repeatedly while disemboweling it and things working out for the country. Everything he gets away with, IMHO, will encourage him to ratchet-up his assault. He is a danger to our system and Constitution and I can't say that enough. Oh, corruption is bad, but sedition is much worse.

is gaining popularity but that is probably skewed by California and New York. Red state Democrats will be at risk...which is why Trump wants a vote.

He doesn't run the House. That's just another obstruction to delay.

She runs the House, a co-equal branch of government, not him.

with the public proclamations that most all House Dems stand for the Impeachment inquiry? Was that "approval lite"?

at straws every minute of every day. Up is down and down is up. It is even possible he wants a vote before his repukes cave. However, they could cave next week as new bad stuff emerges. But he plays defense for momentary cover.

Now why he would endanger that support with the Syria move yesterday is anyone's guess. To do anything based on what he will do is a fool's errand in my mind. But one fact, he has become more brazen every day.

Their own witnesses. You have probably heard that meme already? One sided? So, if it is one sided now, what difference would it be if it was official? No, won't change rules.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained by holding such a vote, but there's plenty to lose.

Also:
Trump is use to having people do what he tells them. Nancy's refusal makes him angry. Anything that makes Trump angry is good.

by falling for the GOP trap. But there's an agenda at play. Fortunately, it's not working out as well as they may have hoped.

Just what the Federalists want.

If they were to acquiesce to this, the precedent would be set for, not just impeachment, but also for other areas of Congressional duties and prerogatives.

isn't there a remote possibility that trump may be pushing for a vote since he still has his repukes in a row? If I did something really wrong that has yet to totally unfold and my allies were still with me...I'd want them to declare in public that they are with me. Placeholder. This is the way he operates ..put your finger in the dam today, I'll find a replacement finger tomorrow.

They have to consider many things you don't need to think about.

To answer your question, I don't know what's going on in Trump's addled brain but I do know that, every step of the way, he tries to stall and obfuscate and misdirect and get people to scamper down his rabbit holes and this latest demand is consistent with his established MO.

This is about the repubs getting more information on witnesses, including the whistle blowers so they can go after them. Also the repubs will then have power to subpoena which would make this impeachment inquiry a total shit show. NO WAY!

Republicans who vote against impeachment look like the criminals they are. In addition, if Republicans are involved in a vote to start an investigation, they will want subpoena power. Apparently that happened during Watergate. Heaven only knows what they might subpoena to make the thing a three ring circus instead of a serious investigation. Whatever Trump wants, do the opposite.

Like a vote. Pure guess....he wants to lock in his repukes asap. Before more bad stuff comes out (which will, like you said). It's a tiny bit of leverage, but better than zero leverage.