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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:30 AM Oct 2019

On Ownership of Celebrities

Ellen Degeneres sat next to George W. Bush at a game. She was even seen to be smiling. That has cause a great uproar in some circles.

Now, I'm not a huge fan of Ellen. I never watch her show on TV, although I sometimes see the close of it, since it's on immediately before our local CBS affiliate's local news programming.

I also never think about Ellen in terms of her politics, really. She is a celebrity who has a late afternoon talk show that has a primary audience of women. I actually don't know much about her politics, to tell the truth.

Why do we feel some sense of ownership of celebrities? Why do we think they should behave at all times in ways of which we approve? Why do we act like they are dead to us on a moment's notice if they do something we don't like?

I don't get that, really. It seems really odd to me.

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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. I'm not in any Venn Diagram circles with GWB,
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:41 AM
Oct 2019

so I'd be very unlikely to find myself seated next to him. However, if I did find myself in that position, he'd be the third President I had met, and I would probably talk with him politely. After all, he's no longer in a position of power.

I met Richard Nixon once, in 1969, when he came to the NSA for his "New President" tour. He came up behind my work station. I stood up and said "Good Morning, Mr. President," because that was expected of me as a USAF E-4. Then, I sat back down and resumed my work.

I met President Jimmy Carter once, on an airliner. He graciously walked down the aisle of the plane from his First Class seat and shook hands with everyone on the plane who wanted to shake his hand. I said to him, "Thank you for your service, Mr. President." He smiled broadly at me.

In neither encounter did I feel called upon to comment on anything those two Presidents had done. I disliked Nixon intensely, but as someone in uniform, he was the President, so I greeted him. I liked Jimmy Carter very much, but had nothing to say to him regarding anything he did as President, so I thanked him for his service in general.

What would I say to George W. Bush at a sports event? Probably something like "Good afternoon, Mr. President." I doubt I would accuse him of being a war criminal. Frankly, I doubt that anyone here would do that, either. He is no longer in office. Actually meeting a President is a pretty rare thing.

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
5. I have had the opportunity to talk to Gore for five minutes and Carter for about ten.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:47 AM
Oct 2019

With Gore I told him my concerns at the time(he was an elected official at the time) and with Carter we never hit on politics.

"Good afternoon, Mr. President..." That is probably exactly what I was say. If we were at a ballpark he would then probably laugh at my two hot dogs, one bag of peanuts, nachos, and large soda. Yes, it's a part of my ballpark experience. I normally go back for a pulled pork sandwich or ice cream, as well.



Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
11. Only a Nazi would be polite to Bush.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:37 AM
Oct 2019

You either with us, or you're a Nazi. What other options could there be?

marlakay

(11,470 posts)
3. Ellen can do whatever she wants
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:43 AM
Oct 2019

But it might upset some of her fans. I personally if seated next to him would get up and leave, he did too many things and now because Trump is worse is getting away with it.

I couldn’t enjoy myself sitting next to someone who started unnecessary wars. It would be one thing if he admitted he was wrong.

Its one thing to be forgiving and another to treat the person as if they did nothing wrong and Ellen isn’t the only one to treat Bush favorably, both Hillary and Michelle have too.

I understand politeness but being friends with him is something I personally could never do.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. I agree, which was my point.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:47 AM
Oct 2019

We do not own Ellen Degeneres. She is free to do as she pleases. What she does has no effect on me at all.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
7. Celebrities have a lot of influence
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:18 AM
Oct 2019

And fans have control of the celebrities pocketbook. So people are going to use that and celebrities will use their power too. Shirley MacLaine campaigned for George McGovern.

Recently I saw that the famous pop singer Taylor Swift canceled an appearance with the Melbourne Cup Horse Race because of bad publicity about it. She wants and needs those vegan/vegetarian fans for her pocketbook.

I don't think it is as trivial as wanting them to act in ways we approve of, it has to do with social justice issues that are important to people.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
8. Also Ellen often comments on politics
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:20 AM
Oct 2019

and tries to influence it herself, so she opens herself up to this type of criticism.

And she has been at the forefront of making homosexuality acceptable. I am sure she carries that banner proudly and wants to influence gay politics favorably.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
9. They didn't come together right?
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:26 AM
Oct 2019

I suspect that we have all sat next to people who oppose us politically at some point in time.

Just not practical to have Republican stadiums and Democratic stadiums.

Also given that very wealthy people tend to attend events that the rest of don't, it's hardly a surprise that the luxury box seats are filled with people of that financial status.

In any event, we don't even know what they discussed. For all we know, she gave him a tongue lashing.


Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
15. Actually she was a guest of his in the exclusive
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:03 PM
Oct 2019

Box of Jerry Jones.
That said, as I live in Dallas, I have eaten at the she same restaurant a couple of times as w.
I didn’t get up to leave as I was with others and I did mind my manners.

drbtg1

(1,054 posts)
17. I don't think of it as the issue of ownership as it is whether I choose to spend a certain currency,
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

...that is, the currency of time, my time in particular, in exchange for entertainment, the commodity a celebrity can sell.

For some, Ms. DeGeneres sitting next to Bush is a bridge too far. I feel Ms. DeGeneres has done enormous good for society in general and people on her show in particular, so her sitting next to someone at a football game has little impact for me.

Conversely, I view some conservative entertainers still maintain the ability to sell the commodity of entertainment, at least with me (YMMV). Kelsey Grammer comes to mind, as I found him very entertaining on "Frasier" and even as a furry, intellectual superhero, so his political ideology doesn't affect that for me. His show, "Boss", was simply not that good, regardless of his politics.

OTOH, outspoken conservative Patricia Heaton. an actress known for incredible luck getting a role on "Everybody Loves Raymond", a role for which she could have been easily replaced (unlike the rest of the cast), is also known for her insults at Ms. Sandra Fluke, then a law student at Georgetown, and apologized only after learning her ability to sell the commodity of entertainment was severely damaged.

I understand Heaton has a new CBS show this fall, alas her ability to sell the commodity of entertainment has been irreparably damaged and thus I will spend no currency of any type on her. This is despite her also sitting next to someone (the great Dan Castellaneta), also at a game (this game being basketball, albeit a fictional one in the movie "Space Jam&quot .

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