Trump can stamp his little feet all he wants, the House of Representatives sets its own rules and procedures.

months, then it might practically be better to hold the vote and call his bluff.

No. They’ll just laugh, yell “SUCKERS!” and go right on obstructing.

I can’t believe people are falling for this.

their cases for obstruction in court will be summarily dismissed.

The vote makes no difference at all. It's just a waste of time and proof that Trump can jerk the Democrats around and tell them how to run their house. It would be a colossally stupid move for the House Democrats to make.

tRump is a terrorist.

He will just come up with the next hurdle while complaining that the Dems are trying to drag out the impeachment process

Should be a direct Fuck You

Why not call a vote all morning ugh

Kate just about rung her arms off just now flailing why why why!

1. Not to let the Serial Abaser set the House's agenda
2. The vote will make it official and then Republicans on committees will also have subpoena power which they'll use to mdyy the waters, etc.
3. The vote will likely show some cracks in the Democrats' resolve.


My point it that making Trump obey subpoenas and allow witnesses to testify will be much more beneficial that what is lost.

Letting Trump decide House procedure means he "wins," and he'll parade around talking about how he forced the House to do something it didn't have to do. See also, Obama's "long form" birth certificate; Warren's DNA test showing Native ancestry. After any vote, Trump will go right back to demanding another vote of the full House for any ongoing process, every step of the way.

One we shouldn’t appease them on. I don’t see a single benefit from following Trumps demands.

Do not give in, run it how you want. If you want to hold a vote do so, but it's not necessary. And do not let Trump dictate what you do at all.

All those in favor. All those who appose taking down tyrants?

Absolument pas. IMO.

Keep within certain guidelines and protocol...so as not to seem like they are politicizing the process...B U T


We need this madman removed ASAP

I say vote and fast track towards removal for all our safety...

I appreciate the gathering of more evidence and testimony, but they honestly have enough to nail his ass to the wall now...

Thing and you get a swarm of flames.

being seen as urging capitulation.

I just feel she's going to have to call for a vote, and then if he still refuses witnesses and documents, the matter could be quickly resolved (given the vote) in court.

But I feel some sort of deal might be worked out in which she commits to the vote and he commits to following the subpoenas' mandates.

I am with Beto on this for sure. Absolutely not about any kind of gamesmanship...just voting to declare to the world we are fully on board with doing the right thing and are unequivocal. People craving this. Thought we were there already and then no vote?

As for the political side you pose. If we indeed have the votes, they can prepare a resolution that does not give the Republicans subpoena power and pass it. If you think that will allow us a better position in court to enforce subpoenas. Wonder what we would have with just whistleblowers and ex-staff that were there.

Up, with no political considerations a speaking up for what is right. JHC they've already made public statements. There's a world craving non-political voices!

I don't think it necessarily does give them subpoena power. If not in resolution.

and Trump is a past master at it. The House should run by its own rules, not ones Boss Tweet makes up as he goes along.

The House should act as though they had taken a vote, won, and Trump is still obstructing.

Don't waste time taking a vote that won't change the Administration's behaviour. Assume they will still behave as we already know they will (i.e. as they are behaving now) even after a vote. The House should proceed as it is already proceeding.

Except perhaps with the delicious addition of the Sergeant-at-Arms.

When Moscow Mitch allows the legislation passed in the house to have votes in the Senate.

It will place Democrats who are in volatile districts between a rock and a hard place.

Next, he still won't comply with jack shit, just stalling like he always does. If he gives anything, it will be redacted.

No single Republican will vote for it, and then he gets an iron clad example of this "being a political witch hunt".

not to obey subpoenas? They will just come up with
another excuse.

which would fuel more "politics as usual" excuses from Repubs.

Besides, why do what Trump wants? Let him stew.

she's a highly skilled professional with an open disdain for Trump. whatever she's doing now is very likely to be optimal given the situation.

but feel she's in a corner. I'm guessing she holds the vote despite the negatives that have been intelligently spelled out in this thread.

It will probably be a deal: They agree to delivery of witnesses and documents; we agree to a vote (with all its negatives).

Otherwise the issue will be in the courts for months and then it will be time for 2020's election.

But if they don't agree, we can have the vote and take the case to the court (if there are further objections) with a very strong case and a reason to speed up the process.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Trump will relent. Or maybe the courts will act quickly on our subpoenas this time. Maybe I'll win the lottery.

I think the House can vote on an impeachment inquiry WITHOUT granting the minority party (the repubs) the ability to issue subpoenas. In that case, trump would continue to say the inquiry was illegitimate and stop potential witnesses from testifying.

... to have the kGOP incriminate themselves more.

Why let Trump, the accused, dictate the process?