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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:07 PM Oct 2019

Trump's Ukraine Call Was 'Crazy' and 'Frightening,' Official Told Whistle-Blower

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/us/politics/trump-ukraine-whistleblower.html

The whistle-blower wrote a memo describing an official who heard the call as “visibly shaken” by it.

By Nicholas Fandos
Oct. 8, 2019, 3:47 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — A White House official who listened to President Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s leader described it as “crazy,” “frightening,” and “completely lacking in substance related to national security,” according to a memo written by the whistle-blower at the center of the Ukraine scandal, a C.I.A. officer who spoke to the White House official.

The White House official was “visibly shaken by what had transpired,” the C.I.A. officer wrote in his memo, one day after Mr. Trump pressured President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in a July 25 phone call to open investigations that would benefit him politically.

A palpable sense of concern had already taken hold among at least some in the White House that the call had veered well outside the bounds of traditional diplomacy, the officer wrote.

“The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official’s view, the president had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own re-election bid in 2020,” the C.I.A. officer wrote.

The document provides a rare glimpse into at least one of the communications with a White House official that helped prompt the whistle-blower’s formal complaint to the intelligence community’s inspector general detailing a broad pressure campaign on Ukraine. The complaint and a reconstructed transcript released by the White House formed the basis of the House impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump.

The inspector general, Michael Atkinson, handed the two-page memo over to Congress last week. A person familiar with its contents described it to The New York Times. Fox News first reported details from it. Neither a lawyer for the whistle-blower nor a spokeswoman for Mr. Atkinson immediately responded to requests for comment.

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Trump's Ukraine Call Was 'Crazy' and 'Frightening,' Official Told Whistle-Blower (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
Maybe this is why Trump calls the released summary of the call "perfect" jcgoldie Oct 2019 #1
Yes! Perfect to him not perfect to us. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #9
People need to start coming forward publicly. Nt OrlandoDem2 Oct 2019 #2
Absolutely. Given they're accessories to a cover-up, they might want to negotiate immunity... Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #3
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #4
It's not required for Impeachment maxsolomon Oct 2019 #5
When you say second WB you mean to the Ukraine Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #10
Ya, the former. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #11
Lol. Wish we had to track double digit WBs Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #12
Not true- "hearsay" is not automatically excluded as evidence Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #6
baloney RW talking point jcgoldie Oct 2019 #7
Interesting post. orangecrush Oct 2019 #8

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
1. Maybe this is why Trump calls the released summary of the call "perfect"
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:10 PM
Oct 2019

...because relatively speaking the ten minutes of excerpts they released are so much less incriminating than the 20 minutes they are sitting on...

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
3. Absolutely. Given they're accessories to a cover-up, they might want to negotiate immunity...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:20 PM
Oct 2019

...for their testimony.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
5. It's not required for Impeachment
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:25 PM
Oct 2019

Graham's been on and on about "hearsay" but Congress can Impeach on what they've got.

Regardless, 2nd Whistleblower with 1st-hand knowledge is supposedly in the works.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. When you say second WB you mean to the Ukraine
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:26 PM
Oct 2019

deal, right. Because people are calling the second WB the one related to tax returns.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,616 posts)
6. Not true- "hearsay" is not automatically excluded as evidence
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:26 PM
Oct 2019

And in the case of impeachment, normal criminal justice rules of evidence do not apply.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
7. baloney RW talking point
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:28 PM
Oct 2019

The so called "transcript" although undoubtedly highly edited confirms the whistleblower complaint. It does not matter if they deny that, they are going to spin to fox news no matter what the evidence is. This is not hearsay.

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