I have zero interest in tearing Ellen to shreds right this moment.

Maybe later, when the Kurds aren't being slaughtered, immigrant children aren't in cages in the US, our democracy isn't being stripped from us and Nazis aren't actively creating our immigration policy I'll focus on that. Because, I can only multi task so damn much, and daily I deal with people who say they can't keep up with the very real atrocities taking place under this administration. This isn't one, BTW.

Trump.

It was the attitude of, "well, we disagreed about the war, but gee, he's a nice guy and all."

That attitude of shrugging off unpleasantness led us to this.


So yes, it absolutely matters.

I still don't give a flying fuck right now that a Hollywood star, who happens to be a vocal Democrat, was nice to him at a football game. This is picking nits at its lowest. Consider what we're actually dealing with right now? Most people in this country can't be brought to give a damn about Russia's active intervention in 2016, Trump's involvement with such let alone Comey's sticking his thumb on the scales in the final hours. Why is this something people should waste time trying to get the populous to care about over the real, truly distressing issues we're currently dealing with?

I'm sorry, it's such a minor issue in my eyes at this point. She's not a politician and we have much bigger issues before us and people are overwhelmed trying to keep up with the real things right now.

When a major star Democrat speaks out about how we should be nice to a WAR CRIMINAL, that is just another sign of how sick this country is.

Ellen is sick to defend a war criminal. If you want to compare proportions, Bush killed 1000X more people than Trump has so far.

IT'S A BIG DEAL.

You are free to hide the thread if it bothers you.
But the issue remains important.

Seriously, it's not. She's not a god, she's a Hollywood figure and she's a human. As such she's inclined to be stupid and do stupid shit. Which in no way changes my opinion of Bush, nor does it any other person with a functioning brain. Yes, a lot of people don't have any depth of thought... they're the ones I don't want distracted from the razor thin issues we need them focused on right now. Keeping them focused is nearly impossible by the way. Ellen isn't one of those issues.

You're right, I'll put Ellen in my trash by word. I'm not interested in this at this moment. I don't see this as a massive issue but rather a trivial Hollywood aside.

Peace! I'm not upset with you, I'm just overwhelmed in my dealings with people out there and trying to get them focused on why they should vote blue in 2020.

of a serious disease in the country.

When did it become OK for people to break the law, brag about it, do it in plain sight, and nothing is done?


Not only are they not prosecuted, but others have to continue to carry on the crimes they did not stop, and they are not able to finish, so more people are dragged into the commissions of crimes.

And then, after leaving the position that one used to commit crimes, you enjoy a nice retirement where everywhere you go you are praised and made much of.

This is the society we've created. Trump is also just a symptom of it.

In a just society, Trump would be in jail (decades ago), his reputation permanently tarnished, and all his inheritance would have been long squandered on his dumb ideas.

This country has chosen to reward his thieving, scheming, and cruel ways.

You're in your head and I'm in mine and we're apparently talking past each other and not hearing well.

I'm dealing with people in the here and now who can't keep up, you're focusing on an existential issue which doesn't resonate but with people other than like you and me. As I said, I get it, but it's not what I'm currently focused on. I have much bigger demons I'm currently fighting among people who aren't nearly this retrospective.

against bush's war on Iraq.

I'm not forgiving bush.. what other people choose to do is their business.

Why haven't Michelle and Barack Obama been dragged through the muddy briar patch like Ellen DeGeneres has? What is the difference between what Ellen DeGeneres did and the Obamas sitting next to bush at McCain's funeral with Michelle accepting candy from him? They did not have to sit next to him, and Michelle did not have to accept his candy. If I were to give the Obamas a free pass, and turned around and eviscerated Ellen DeGeneres, I would have to look at myself as a tad hypocritical
Ruffalo, like many others, seems to have suffered a lapse in memory when it comes to the Obama's friendship with bush.

to hanging out at a recreational sporting event.

Everybody knows this.

You think John McCain's funeral was a one-time event for them to get together?


"Though Obama and Bush have made headlines several times this year for having fun together, they're hardly new to putting their friendly feelings on display."

"President Bush and I, we are forever seatmates because of protocol, and that's how we sit at all the official functions," Obama told Today. "He's my partner in crime at every major thing where all the 'formers' gather. So we're together all the time." She later added, "I love him to death. He's a wonderful man, he's a funny man."
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https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a22979284/george-w-bush-michelle-obama-friendship-history/

And I said there is a difference between forgiving someone and being nice to them and being friends with them.

Being friends with Bush is like being friends with a mass murderer considering how many have died in his needless wars.

And I said same goes with Ellen, Michelle and Hillary. They are all friends with him and normalize him.

I have a problem with that because its like saying you have no problem with what they did in the past.

.... with bush has been ongoing for years now, I just can't seem to recall anyone over those years condemning Michelle Obama and dragging her through the mud.

Who to hate, why to hate, and how to hate them.

Breaking this orthodoxy of hate gets one labeled as an idiot.

And you are illustrating that perfectly.


Kindness doesn't normalize the actions of anyone other than the person being kind.
Kindness does not reflect the character of anyone except the person showing kindness.

Hating George W. Bush's war crimes is necessary to maintaining a healthy sense of right and wrong.

And, ultimately, KINDNESS is making sure that criminals are aware that their actions are WRONG and NOT ACCEPTABLE.

This pie in the sky cupcakeism is DAMAGING to morality and understanding right from wrong.

On edit: typo

On further edit: I have never ONCE listened to anything resembling "hate radio".

Not a big fan of Ellens but 1 thing I have noticed:

Her response to this “debacle” is the most grown-up thing I have seen in recent times and for some reason is drawing more condemnation than sitting at a football game as someone’s guest