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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:38 AM Oct 2019

*WSJ* Two Foreign-Born Criminals Who Helped Giuliani on Ukraine Arrested on Campaign-Finance Charges



WASHINGTON—Two foreign-born donors to a pro- Trump fundraising committee who helped Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to investigate Democrat Joe Biden were arrested late Wednesday on criminal charges of violating campaign finance rules and are expected to appear in court on Thursday, according to people familiar with the matter.

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Florida businessmen, have been under investigation by the U.S. Attorney’s office in Manhattan, and are expected to appear in federal court in Virginia later on Thursday, the people said. The men’s nationalities was unclear, though both were believed to have been born in former Soviet republics.

Mr. Giuliani, President Trump’s private lawyer, identified the two men in May as his clients. Both men have donated to Republican campaigns including Mr. Trump’s, and in May 2018 gave $325,000 to the primary pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, through an LLC called Global Energy Producers, according to Federal Election Commission records.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188?mod=hp_lead_pos1
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*WSJ* Two Foreign-Born Criminals Who Helped Giuliani on Ukraine Arrested on Campaign-Finance Charges (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2019 OP
Squeal, little piggies! orangecrush Oct 2019 #1
Oh HOLY SHIT AMERICA Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #2
No Worries, They're Covered. Rudy is Their Lawyer Skraxx Oct 2019 #3
What, no sarcasm smiley? I guess it really wasn't necessary, though. yellowcanine Oct 2019 #36
They are totally fucked. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #40
Rudy Rubles Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #69
Roody hasn't tweeted about this BIG KILLER NEWS ha ha ha, and I don't guess little junior Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #4
hey donny JR. Love your pic. ha ha riversedge Oct 2019 #9
Oh, this should be an OP all on its own! kag Oct 2019 #44
Clear the Swamp Stallion Oct 2019 #5
This seems like a big deal Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #6
I agree. I do not think they usually arrest folks for election finance charges riversedge Oct 2019 #7
The article doesn't specifically call them Ukranian assets. They were from former Soviet nations. Texin Oct 2019 #33
Wonder why Barr allowed this. OliverQ Oct 2019 #8
Indictment comes from SDNY, so maybe they did their own thing? triron Oct 2019 #19
Barr engineered it.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #48
Pretty hard for him to absolve Trump when Trump admitted to it OliverQ Oct 2019 #50
Dont confuse facts and official statements..... ;) getagrip_already Oct 2019 #52
When arrested, they were attempting to flee the country Bradical79 Oct 2019 #55
Not really.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #58
Boom Gothmog Oct 2019 #10
MSNBC reporting these men were involved with 2 congressmen. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #11
Pete Sessions and Kevin McCarthy NightWatcher Oct 2019 #22
Wow! Thank you for that! Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #26
Funny how he's the only repuke house member screaming that the investigation is illegal. NightWatcher Oct 2019 #27
Boom! Nice going, McCarthy! lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #41
McCarthy? Fantastic Hortensis Oct 2019 #29
Wonder how many more congressional folks have been inovolved (tangentially)? Texin Oct 2019 #34
$500,000 divided by $5,400 equals 92 Congresscritters lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #43
Could it be any of these? ... aggiesal Oct 2019 #28
It very well could be obstruction. Afraid these guys may spill the beans. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #32
K&R UCmeNdc Oct 2019 #12
Parnas was on his way for a deposition with House impeachment investigators... blaze Oct 2019 #13
Except he wasn't Bradical79 Oct 2019 #56
Oh my! Giuliani is repping them along with John "How Smart Am I?" Dowd!! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #14
Donald Jr. and the Russian money men: dalton99a Oct 2019 #15
More NightWatcher Oct 2019 #16
+1. A very beautiful and perfect picture dalton99a Oct 2019 #17
Even more - notice the ghost shoulder on the left hand side of the photo above? hatrack Oct 2019 #23
Geez, it's almost like THEYRE ALL GUILTY!!! NightWatcher Oct 2019 #24
I hope that is a true picture because ... aggiesal Oct 2019 #30
Can't be 100% sure, but... kag Oct 2019 #49
I've seen the original picture ... aggiesal Oct 2019 #63
Stealing "Colludy Rudy"! SunSeeker Oct 2019 #45
Read the indictment here: triron Oct 2019 #18
We have to get rid of Citizens United ... aggiesal Oct 2019 #20
And Florida's GOP Gov. DeSantis. SunSeeker Oct 2019 #46
Pete Sessions is likely one Raftergirl Oct 2019 #21
Igor Fruman may also go by the name "Igr I Umanskaya"; hmm, what nationality could that be.... flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #25
Per msnbc - they were arrested at Dulles on their way out of town!! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #31
I am wondering why Barr allowed this indictment. Any ideas? triron Oct 2019 #35
No clue...I know they issued a stonewall response to the FEC the other day pecosbob Oct 2019 #38
I have no idea, t!! "Standing by" for more details! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #51
See above - he engineered it..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #53
Bbbut hey grip, Lev and Igor have ties to Sessions, McCarthy and Lev threw a fundraiser for Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #64
Barr cares about barr, trump. getagrip_already Oct 2019 #66
Ohhhh, I see - it's about those two ONLY, and the rest of the players can pound sand Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #70
From trumps view, its just trump.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #71
So Trump not only was talking to the President of Ukraine but was in contact with mafia types ... Botany Oct 2019 #37
It just never stops with these people and their Russian connections. calimary Oct 2019 #39
I'm genuinely surprised that Barr didn't block this prosecution. SunSeeker Oct 2019 #42
Its his idea! See above - nt getagrip_already Oct 2019 #54
But nothing prevents them from tesifying before Congress just because they're in custody. SunSeeker Oct 2019 #59
Just a plea deal.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #60
Many of the same Assistant US Attorneys that were there under Obama remain. SunSeeker Oct 2019 #65
Time will tell - but what sayeth rudy? getagrip_already Oct 2019 #67
They were leaving the country Bradical79 Oct 2019 #57
Yes, but why didn't Barr block it? Would it have been just too lawless even for him? SunSeeker Oct 2019 #61
They travel all the time.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #62
Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations Bonx Oct 2019 #47
The Trump GOP Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #68

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
2. Oh HOLY SHIT AMERICA
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:43 AM
Oct 2019

Arrested??! You don’t say!!

I haven’t heard anything about these two that makes me think, “good men, good people”..nope, sure haven’t

Well, let the courts decide if they are on the right side of history or nah

great news!!!!!!!!!

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
3. No Worries, They're Covered. Rudy is Their Lawyer
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:51 AM
Oct 2019

They're in good hands. I'm sure he'll have it all straightened out in no time.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
4. Roody hasn't tweeted about this BIG KILLER NEWS ha ha ha, and I don't guess little junior
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:54 AM
Oct 2019

is upset about this, or is he??



Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
6. This seems like a big deal
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:58 AM
Oct 2019

@ Ukrainian assets with ties to Rudy and Trump being arrested while Trump is being impeached for Ukrainian corruption.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
33. The article doesn't specifically call them Ukranian assets. They were from former Soviet nations.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:21 AM
Oct 2019

I think if they had been Ukranian born, the article would have stated that. (And maybe it did, as I haven't read the piece in its entirety yet). Methinks they're more like Putin *assets*. Nothing is done on behalf of Ukraine by Putin. What Guliani and tRump have cooked is more than likely to have been greenlit by Russia, i.e., Putin.

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
48. Barr engineered it....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:38 PM
Oct 2019

He was at sdny recently.

So why would he do it?

To absolve himself and trump of the ukraine mess by dumping all of it on rudy.

Look for a plea deal where the pair testify it was always just rudy.

What would you do? 50 years in federal prison or lie your ass off when you are already a professional liar and criminal?

Plus, they cant cooperate with congress while in custody. You know, because.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
50. Pretty hard for him to absolve Trump when Trump admitted to it
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:51 PM
Oct 2019

on live television and we have evidence proving it.

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
52. Dont confuse facts and official statements..... ;)
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

This is about a smokescreen thick enough the gop can repeat it over and over.

Rudy wont deny it, and might even go along with it since he can be arrested any time. He needs to keep chasing the pardon.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
55. When arrested, they were attempting to flee the country
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:06 PM
Oct 2019

I think it was too much of a snap decision for Barr to have made the call personally. It was arrest them, or lose them entirely.

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
58. Not really....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:20 PM
Oct 2019

They have left and returned dozens of times. And the fbi likes to grab people at airports.

They had every expectation rudy had their backs. Until barr decided to put a knife in it.

But the fact they were travelling doesnt mean they were fleeing. Doesnt mean they werent. Just that they were traveling.

And besides, where could they go? We could reach them almost anywhere, and people who can embarass putin have a way of falling out of windows. They would be safer here.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
11. MSNBC reporting these men were involved with 2 congressmen.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:18 AM
Oct 2019

Congressmen have not been named but they're tying to figure out who they are.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
27. Funny how he's the only repuke house member screaming that the investigation is illegal.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:55 AM
Oct 2019

And it turns out he's bought and paid for too.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
43. $500,000 divided by $5,400 equals 92 Congresscritters
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:19 PM
Oct 2019

Unless somebody took more than the legal limit.

This shit's gonna be BIG!

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
28. Could it be any of these? ...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019


Also, both were expected to testify in the Impeachment hearing today and tomorrow.

I wonder if getting them arrested had anything to do with that?
Could this be obstruction in disguise?

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
14. Oh my! Giuliani is repping them along with John "How Smart Am I?" Dowd!!
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:33 AM
Oct 2019

“Dowd, the lawyer who represents Parnas and Fruman, told the Intelligence Committee by letter Oct. 3 that they couldn't meet a Monday deadline for documents and communications because the men were also represented by Giuliani and the material might be protected by attorney-client privilege.”

YA’LL ARE SCREWN

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
23. Even more - notice the ghost shoulder on the left hand side of the photo above?
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:51 AM
Oct 2019

Who is it attached to?

Golly!!


aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
30. I hope that is a true picture because ...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

Pence's head looks like it was photo-shopped into the picture.
If this was on IQ45's website, I can believe that had it removed so that
Dolt45 appear more important.

But, if it is photo-shopped, the RW's will claim the whole image is photo-shopped
to make their fuhrer look guilty.

kag

(4,079 posts)
49. Can't be 100% sure, but...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:38 PM
Oct 2019

The original picture was published in the Miami Herald, and you can see Pence's shoulder in it. Not saying it couldn't be someone else, but there was definitely SOMEONE else in the picture.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
63. I've seen the original picture ...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:30 PM
Oct 2019

and you can see the shoulder very easily.
But if it was Pence, why didn't the Miami Herald show Pence as well as Trump?
A photo with both the pResident and his trusted VP, would make for better news.

The shoulder could belong to Pence and there is no reason it isn't, but
when you look at the photo with Pence in it, his face is much brighter than the
other 4 standing under the same light.

Of course I might just be reading too much into it.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
20. We have to get rid of Citizens United ...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

That SC ruling has opened the secret door into allowing these "donations" to happen.

Hopefully, this becomes a secret trap door, and catches all kinds of (R)'s in the process.

Raftergirl

(1,287 posts)
21. Pete Sessions is likely one
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:50 AM
Oct 2019

“A former member of Congress who pushed for political changes in Ukraine that aligned with Rudy Giuliani’s investigative efforts there got millions of dollars in political support from a pro-Trump super PAC financed in part by Giuliani allies.

The more than $3 million that the group, America First Action, spent supporting former Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) included huge ad buys that appear to have pushed the boundaries of laws restricting super PAC coordination with political campaigns, according to a Daily Beast review of federal campaign finance and television broadcasting records. And they could severely complicate the former congressman’s attempt to win back office in 2020.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/america-first-action-backed-by-giuliani-henchmen-spent-big-for-pete-sessions-after-he-targeted-ukraine-diplo

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
25. Igor Fruman may also go by the name "Igr I Umanskaya"; hmm, what nationality could that be....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:53 AM
Oct 2019

Or is that "Eye-gor"?

triron

(22,006 posts)
35. I am wondering why Barr allowed this indictment. Any ideas?
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:24 AM
Oct 2019

Or maybe SDNY did its own thing here?

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
38. No clue...I know they issued a stonewall response to the FEC the other day
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:44 AM
Oct 2019

I would think that the request for an indictment would have originated with the FEC.

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
53. See above - he engineered it.....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:03 PM
Oct 2019

Short answer, they are going to dump it all on rudy. These guys will take a plea deal to say whatever barr wants.

And no testimony to congress, especially since plea deals are at stake.

Barr unfortunately isnt stupid. He is using absolute control over doj to control his fate.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
64. Bbbut hey grip, Lev and Igor have ties to Sessions, McCarthy and Lev threw a fundraiser for
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:32 PM
Oct 2019

DeSantis! Surely Barr can’t stamp all that out with his dirty lawyer loafers??!

Well, I dunno, but I have to go run errands, dammit...thanks for your post, though!

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
66. Barr cares about barr, trump.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:38 PM
Oct 2019

He doesnt care about the house gop. Notice no senators implicated, though they cant possibly be clean.

Just a thought.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
70. Ohhhh, I see - it's about those two ONLY, and the rest of the players can pound sand
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:23 PM
Oct 2019

Got it, thanks grip!!! Watching intently as this fustercluck plays out - -

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
71. From trumps view, its just trump....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:36 PM
Oct 2019

But barr is trying to clear himself. As long as he convinces trump, its carte blanche.

Botany

(70,510 posts)
37. So Trump not only was talking to the President of Ukraine but was in contact with mafia types ...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:32 AM
Oct 2019

... who are also in the pockets of Kevin McCarthy and other GOP congresspersons?

Wow how many republicans in the house and senate (Russian NRA money) were being
paid off by Vlad either directly or indirectly through 3rd parties such as people or businesses
in the Ukraine? And how many of these same players were busy in 2016 too?

calimary

(81,297 posts)
39. It just never stops with these people and their Russian connections.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

I guess that’s what the Dems have to do. STOP them. And we voters have to do our part with all vigor and relentlessness.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
59. But nothing prevents them from tesifying before Congress just because they're in custody.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:23 PM
Oct 2019

People in orange jumpsuits have testified before Congress many times. What possible basis would Barr claim to prevent their testimony, other than the defendants themselves choosing to assert the 5th Am?

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
60. Just a plea deal....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:27 PM
Oct 2019

They are facing decades in prison. With a plea they could get out in months. But NOT if they testify to anything that contradicts their testimony to the feds as part of that deal, which will be corrupt to the core.

The sdny has fallen. Its not in any way independent.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
65. Many of the same Assistant US Attorneys that were there under Obama remain.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:38 PM
Oct 2019

I can't imagine they would countenance witness tampering or subversion of justice. If a crooked plea deal is in the works, that will get out. And I can't imagine it helping Trump all that much anyway. These two mafiosos can't erase what Trump said to Zelensky ("...need a favor though..." ) in that July 25 call, no matter what they try to pin on Colludy Rudy.

And just the fact that these guys will now get convicted for illegally donating to the Trump campaign will throw more dirty on Trump. If Barr had allowed them to escape, that wouldn't happen.

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
67. Time will tell - but what sayeth rudy?
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:41 PM
Oct 2019

Apparently he is stunned into silence.

That alone tells you he is scared. Barr is protecting himself. If rudy takes a dive, he is clean.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
57. They were leaving the country
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:17 PM
Oct 2019

?s=09

To me it sounds like someone at SDNY decided to pull the trigger on the investigation or risk losing them forever.

getagrip_already

(14,757 posts)
62. They travel all the time....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:29 PM
Oct 2019

Its more likely the feds just chose to arrest them at an airport. No guns, no place to run, no tv crews.

Just a come with us. Game over.

Bonx

(2,053 posts)
47. Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:34 PM
Oct 2019

^ the correct article title, fwiw.

Let's not be xenophobia opportunists.

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