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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*WSJ* Two Foreign-Born Criminals Who Helped Giuliani on Ukraine Arrested on Campaign-Finance Charges
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Florida businessmen, have been under investigation by the U.S. Attorneys office in Manhattan, and are expected to appear in federal court in Virginia later on Thursday, the people said. The mens nationalities was unclear, though both were believed to have been born in former Soviet republics.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumps private lawyer, identified the two men in May as his clients. Both men have donated to Republican campaigns including Mr. Trumps, and in May 2018 gave $325,000 to the primary pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, through an LLC called Global Energy Producers, according to Federal Election Commission records.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188?mod=hp_lead_pos1
orangecrush
(19,569 posts)Spill your guts abd save your asses!
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Arrested??! You dont say!!
I havent heard anything about these two that makes me think, good men, good people..nope, sure havent
Well, let the courts decide if they are on the right side of history or nah
great news!!!!!!!!!
Skraxx
(2,977 posts)They're in good hands. I'm sure he'll have it all straightened out in no time.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,009 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)is upset about this, or is he??
riversedge
(70,239 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)That's just beautiful.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)@ Ukrainian assets with ties to Rudy and Trump being arrested while Trump is being impeached for Ukrainian corruption.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)Texin
(2,596 posts)I think if they had been Ukranian born, the article would have stated that. (And maybe it did, as I haven't read the piece in its entirety yet). Methinks they're more like Putin *assets*. Nothing is done on behalf of Ukraine by Putin. What Guliani and tRump have cooked is more than likely to have been greenlit by Russia, i.e., Putin.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)He was at sdny recently.
So why would he do it?
To absolve himself and trump of the ukraine mess by dumping all of it on rudy.
Look for a plea deal where the pair testify it was always just rudy.
What would you do? 50 years in federal prison or lie your ass off when you are already a professional liar and criminal?
Plus, they cant cooperate with congress while in custody. You know, because.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)on live television and we have evidence proving it.
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)This is about a smokescreen thick enough the gop can repeat it over and over.
Rudy wont deny it, and might even go along with it since he can be arrested any time. He needs to keep chasing the pardon.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I think it was too much of a snap decision for Barr to have made the call personally. It was arrest them, or lose them entirely.
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)They have left and returned dozens of times. And the fbi likes to grab people at airports.
They had every expectation rudy had their backs. Until barr decided to put a knife in it.
But the fact they were travelling doesnt mean they were fleeing. Doesnt mean they werent. Just that they were traveling.
And besides, where could they go? We could reach them almost anywhere, and people who can embarass putin have a way of falling out of windows. They would be safer here.
Gothmog
(145,289 posts)Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Congressmen have not been named but they're tying to figure out who they are.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Self-righteous windbag McCarthy is in this up to his eyeballs.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And it turns out he's bought and paid for too.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)You are in trouble. Better hire Ghouliani; he'll fix you right up.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Thanks.
Texin
(2,596 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Unless somebody took more than the legal limit.
This shit's gonna be BIG!
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)Also, both were expected to testify in the Impeachment hearing today and tomorrow.
I wonder if getting them arrested had anything to do with that?
Could this be obstruction in disguise?
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Corruption!
blaze
(6,362 posts)hmmmm
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Dowd, the lawyer who represents Parnas and Fruman, told the Intelligence Committee by letter Oct. 3 that they couldn't meet a Monday deadline for documents and communications because the men were also represented by Giuliani and the material might be protected by attorney-client privilege.
YALL ARE SCREWN
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)aggiesal
(8,916 posts)Pence's head looks like it was photo-shopped into the picture.
If this was on IQ45's website, I can believe that had it removed so that
Dolt45 appear more important.
But, if it is photo-shopped, the RW's will claim the whole image is photo-shopped
to make their fuhrer look guilty.
kag
(4,079 posts)The original picture was published in the Miami Herald, and you can see Pence's shoulder in it. Not saying it couldn't be someone else, but there was definitely SOMEONE else in the picture.
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)and you can see the shoulder very easily.
But if it was Pence, why didn't the Miami Herald show Pence as well as Trump?
A photo with both the pResident and his trusted VP, would make for better news.
The shoulder could belong to Pence and there is no reason it isn't, but
when you look at the photo with Pence in it, his face is much brighter than the
other 4 standing under the same light.
Of course I might just be reading too much into it.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)aggiesal
(8,916 posts)That SC ruling has opened the secret door into allowing these "donations" to happen.
Hopefully, this becomes a secret trap door, and catches all kinds of (R)'s in the process.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Raftergirl
(1,287 posts)A former member of Congress who pushed for political changes in Ukraine that aligned with Rudy Giulianis investigative efforts there got millions of dollars in political support from a pro-Trump super PAC financed in part by Giuliani allies.
The more than $3 million that the group, America First Action, spent supporting former Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) included huge ad buys that appear to have pushed the boundaries of laws restricting super PAC coordination with political campaigns, according to a Daily Beast review of federal campaign finance and television broadcasting records. And they could severely complicate the former congressmans attempt to win back office in 2020.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/america-first-action-backed-by-giuliani-henchmen-spent-big-for-pete-sessions-after-he-targeted-ukraine-diplo
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Or is that "Eye-gor"?
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Or maybe SDNY did its own thing here?
pecosbob
(7,541 posts)I would think that the request for an indictment would have originated with the FEC.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)But what a grand day this is!!!
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)Short answer, they are going to dump it all on rudy. These guys will take a plea deal to say whatever barr wants.
And no testimony to congress, especially since plea deals are at stake.
Barr unfortunately isnt stupid. He is using absolute control over doj to control his fate.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)DeSantis! Surely Barr cant stamp all that out with his dirty lawyer loafers??!
Well, I dunno, but I have to go run errands, dammit...thanks for your post, though!
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)He doesnt care about the house gop. Notice no senators implicated, though they cant possibly be clean.
Just a thought.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Got it, thanks grip!!! Watching intently as this fustercluck plays out - -
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)But barr is trying to clear himself. As long as he convinces trump, its carte blanche.
Botany
(70,510 posts)... who are also in the pockets of Kevin McCarthy and other GOP congresspersons?
Wow how many republicans in the house and senate (Russian NRA money) were being
paid off by Vlad either directly or indirectly through 3rd parties such as people or businesses
in the Ukraine? And how many of these same players were busy in 2016 too?
calimary
(81,297 posts)I guess thats what the Dems have to do. STOP them. And we voters have to do our part with all vigor and relentlessness.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)People in orange jumpsuits have testified before Congress many times. What possible basis would Barr claim to prevent their testimony, other than the defendants themselves choosing to assert the 5th Am?
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)They are facing decades in prison. With a plea they could get out in months. But NOT if they testify to anything that contradicts their testimony to the feds as part of that deal, which will be corrupt to the core.
The sdny has fallen. Its not in any way independent.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)I can't imagine they would countenance witness tampering or subversion of justice. If a crooked plea deal is in the works, that will get out. And I can't imagine it helping Trump all that much anyway. These two mafiosos can't erase what Trump said to Zelensky ("...need a favor though..." ) in that July 25 call, no matter what they try to pin on Colludy Rudy.
And just the fact that these guys will now get convicted for illegally donating to the Trump campaign will throw more dirty on Trump. If Barr had allowed them to escape, that wouldn't happen.
getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)Apparently he is stunned into silence.
That alone tells you he is scared. Barr is protecting himself. If rudy takes a dive, he is clean.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Link to tweet
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To me it sounds like someone at SDNY decided to pull the trigger on the investigation or risk losing them forever.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)Its more likely the feds just chose to arrest them at an airport. No guns, no place to run, no tv crews.
Just a come with us. Game over.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)^ the correct article title, fwiw.
Let's not be xenophobia opportunists.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,009 posts)One wholly owned criminal enterprise.