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malaise

(269,024 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:59 AM Oct 2019

Dear Ellen: The Problem With George W. Bush Is Not His Beliefs -- It's His War Crimes

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/09/ellen-degeneres-george-bush/?fbclid=IwAR0T5rdArjpHNBon0E9Y_z59j8qizHAUbUGFXkkQWmnlaw16M9L_nZD1VJk
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Yet Ellen’s specific argument in defense of her friendship with the former president is both nonsensical and offensive. No one is suggesting that she shouldn’t be pals with a conservative or a Republican. Bush’s beliefs are irrelevant here; his actions are what matters. He was one of the most destructive presidents in modern American history; a man who has never been held to account for a long litany of crimes, misdeeds, and abuses of power committed during his two bloodstained terms in office. The reason “43” should be treated as a pariah is not because he is a Republican or a conservative, but because he caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people and tortured hundreds of others.

Ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The so-called war on terror launched by Bush in 2001, in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, has since killed around 250,000 civilians in those three countries, according to a landmark Brown University study in 2018. Remember the 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians massacred by U.S. troops in Haditha in 2005? Or the Shinwar massacre in Afghanistan in 2007, in which U.S. Marines “tore down a six-mile stretch of highway, hitting almost anyone in their way – teenage girls in the fields, motorists in their cars, old men as they walked along the road”? Or the more than 100 Pakistani children killed by 51 CIA drone strikes authorized by Bush between 2004 and the start of 2009? Is it any wonder, then, that Bush’s own former counterterrorism chief accused of him committing war crimes?

Ask the families of more than 4,200 U.S. troops who were killed in Iraq. Bush, who conveniently avoided serving in Vietnam, sent thousands of young people to their deaths in the Middle East in 2003, after he and members of his administration told demonstrable lies to make the case for an illegal war. The then-commander-in-chief falsely claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He falsely claimed that Saddam Hussein was working with Al Qaeda. He has never apologized for these falsehoods.

Ask the family of Tareq Ayoub. He was the 35-year-old Al Jazeera correspondent who was killed when a U.S. warplane launched on airstrike on the network’s Baghdad bureau in April 2003, less than three weeks after Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq. You think calling journalists “fake news” is bad? According to the U.K.’s Daily Mirror newspaper, Bush “made clear he wanted to bomb Al Jazeera in Qatar” at a meeting with then-U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair just eight days after the killing of Ayoub. Blair, according to the Mirror, had to persuade him not to.
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That simple. Fuck George Bush
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Dear Ellen: The Problem With George W. Bush Is Not His Beliefs -- It's His War Crimes (Original Post) malaise Oct 2019 OP
Which is why GW Bush can NEVER travel to Europe..... ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2019 #1
Blair should be in the Hague as well malaise Oct 2019 #11
When? In The Hauge? AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #13
+1 (and yes, I do take issue with the Obamas in this matter) n/t demmiblue Oct 2019 #2
As do I. I was unaware of the scope of their friendship until just now. Coventina Oct 2019 #4
Yep malaise Oct 2019 #5
I agree. I give them a *teeny tiny* bit more of a pass because he was President, like I can Neema Oct 2019 #10
Thank you Malaise Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #3
And his record against LGBTQ people. Lunabell Oct 2019 #6
ms degeneres was a guest at the johnson's "home" rampartc Oct 2019 #7
Good manners mean you don't act like an ass. Good manners do not require anyone to act Neema Oct 2019 #12
Illegitimate for starters Zambero Oct 2019 #8
Stolen by the Supremes malaise Oct 2019 #9
I forget which liberal tv personality it was that freaked everyone out railing against estate taxes pecosbob Oct 2019 #14

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
1. Which is why GW Bush can NEVER travel to Europe.....
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:02 AM
Oct 2019

Because he and Dick Cheney have been labeled WAR CRIMINALS by the International Criminal Court at The Hague for their support of the Iraq war and for sponsoring TORTURE....


Trump will be labeled thus shortly I am to presume.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
4. As do I. I was unaware of the scope of their friendship until just now.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:05 AM
Oct 2019

And, it's horrifying to me.

They, more than most, know the scope of Bush's war crimes, as they had to deal with them on a day-to-day basis for 8 years.

I'm horrified, and disgusted.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
10. I agree. I give them a *teeny tiny* bit more of a pass because he was President, like I can
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:49 AM
Oct 2019

see him believing that for the good of the nation he has to be cordial. But I still don't agree with it at all.

Ellen on the other hand, there's no excuse on earth. That just reeks of privilege and tone deafness. He's a war criminal and thousands upon thousands of people died because of his lies. Then he had the audacity to joke about "looking" for the "missing WMDs" under his Oval Office desk as if it were all a practical joke. Ugh. And that's not even getting into how his policies hurt the LGBTQ community, which she should be sensitive about.

I've heard from people I know who worked for her that she's kind of a nightmare though. Like she puts on this persona of being really nice and friendly and chill and loving everyone. But she's a very different person behind closed doors and treats her employees like shit. I've heard that multiple times from multiple sources.

Lunabell

(6,082 posts)
6. And his record against LGBTQ people.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:06 AM
Oct 2019

How can she sit and joke with the one time leader of the anti LGBTQ party without so much as one apology for what he and his ilk have done?

rampartc

(5,408 posts)
7. ms degeneres was a guest at the johnson's "home"
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:20 AM
Oct 2019

even if that home was built by the citizens of texas. as a guest she exercised good manners, I can't find fault in that.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
12. Good manners mean you don't act like an ass. Good manners do not require anyone to act
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:54 AM
Oct 2019

like besties with a war criminal. She could have politely said hello and not engaged. But she acted like they were old college buddies. I'm not inclined to get that chummy with anyone responsible for the senseless deaths of thousands and thousands over lies.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
8. Illegitimate for starters
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:05 AM
Oct 2019

Lest anyone overlook Bro Jeb "fixing" the 2000 Florida vote tally / recount process through the arbitrary actions of his Secretary of State, who should have recused herself stemming from her active role in the campaign. Ultimately, the fix was in with a 5-4 SCOTUS vote along partisan lines.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
14. I forget which liberal tv personality it was that freaked everyone out railing against estate taxes
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:58 PM
Oct 2019

Actually I recall exactly who it was. Money changes your viewpoint and lots of money changes your viewpoint a lot.

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