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Danmel

(4,915 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:57 PM Oct 2019

Reflections on "orthodox Jews" Jared and Ivanka on Yom Kippur

I post this as a Jewish woman who spent yesterday at synagogue, fasting and searching my soul for ways to be a better person in the coming year.
On Yom kippur, we are commanded to recite collectively, a long list of transgressions that we may have committed and ask for G-ds forgiveness. We are also commanded to seek personal forgiveness for people we may have hurt whether intentionally or not.
Here is the list. While I was reciting it, I thought of how many of these sins Jared and Ivanka have committed and the cognitive dissonance they must feel reciting them but thinking they did absolutely nothing wrong.

For the sin which we have committed before You under duress or willingly.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by hard-heartedness.

For the sin which we have committed before You inadvertently.

And for the sin which we have committed before You with an utterance of the lips.

For the sin which we have committed before You with immorality.

And for the sin which we have committed before You openly or secretly.

For the sin which we have committed before You with knowledge and with deceit.

And for the sin which we have committed before You through speech.

For the sin which we have committed before You by deceiving a fellowman.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by improper thoughts.

For the sin which we have committed before You by a gathering of lewdness.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by verbal [insincere] confession.

For the sin which we have committed before You by disrespect for parents and teachers.

And for the sin which we have committed before You intentionally or unintentionally.

For the sin which we have committed before You by using coercion.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by desecrating the Divine Name.

For the sin which we have committed before You by impurity of speech.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by foolish talk.

For the sin which we have committed before You with the evil inclination.

And for the sin which we have committed before You knowingly or unknowingly.

For all these, God of pardon, pardon us, forgive us, atone for us.

For the sin which we have committed before You by false denial and lying.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by a bribe-taking or a bribe-giving hand.

For the sin which we have committed before You by scoffing.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by evil talk [about another].

For the sin which we have committed before You in business dealings.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by eating and drinking.

For the sin which we have committed before You by [taking or giving] interest and by usury.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by a haughty demeanor.

For the sin which we have committed before You by the prattle of our lips.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by a glance of the eye.

For the sin which we have committed before You with proud looks.

And for the sin which we have committed before You with impudence.

For all these, God of pardon, pardon us, forgive us, atone for us.

For the sin which we have committed before You by casting off the yoke [of Heaven].

And for the sin which we have committed before You in passing judgment.

For the sin which we have committed before You by scheming against a fellowman.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by a begrudging eye.

For the sin which we have committed before You by frivolity.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by obduracy.

For the sin which we have committed before You by running to do evil.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by tale-bearing.

For the sin which we have committed before You by swearing in vain.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by causeless hatred.

For the sin which we have committed before You by embezzlement.

And for the sin which we have committed before You by a confused heart.

For all these, God of pardon, pardon us, forgive us, atone for us.

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Reflections on "orthodox Jews" Jared and Ivanka on Yom Kippur (Original Post) Danmel Oct 2019 OP
Thank you for posting this. Very interesting. badhair77 Oct 2019 #1
Thank you for posting this Gothmog Oct 2019 #2
Thank you...bookmarking for later personal reflection. Tanuki Oct 2019 #3
Do those two call themselves Orthodox? DavidDvorkin Oct 2019 #4
Yes, they do. Danmel Oct 2019 #5
That was certainly the PR during the campaign. Ivanka was just so sincere and so frum. Awwww. Hekate Oct 2019 #6
Wow. Absurd. DavidDvorkin Oct 2019 #8
So, this is a list of social transgressions Ghost Dog Oct 2019 #7
Actually, no. You can't "get away with" anything by ritually apologizing. You need to actually make JudyM Oct 2019 #10
Thank you for posting this. smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #9
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
7. So, this is a list of social transgressions
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:44 PM
Oct 2019

that, according to 'orthodoxy' some people think they can get away with, just by later abstractly, ritually "apologising"?

So easy.

JudyM

(29,250 posts)
10. Actually, no. You can't "get away with" anything by ritually apologizing. You need to actually make
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019

the commitment and the effort.


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. Thank you for posting this.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 12:21 AM
Oct 2019

I am always interested in finding out more about another's religious traditions, even though I am not religious myself. This seems like a good way to live your life for anybody.

Seems to me like Jared and Ivanka do not live by these rules. I could be wrong, but I really don't see how they can reconcile their role in their father's business and political activity with the words written above.

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