Fuck all the geopolitics of that particular cluster-fuck, and yeah, Marvin the ARVN was often worthless. But some of them were courageous soldiers wanting nothing more than to fight for their country.

And those are the ones I think about sometimes when I can't sleep.

His father was killed after the US left there and other family members were disappearing. My friend came over here with the wave of boat people refugees.

If I see another photo op with Trump and troops I am likely to fire-for-effect on my TV.

and what did they give to get Trump to capriciously abandon allies who essentially protected Americans? Anyone thinking Trump did this without a quid pro quo has to be part of his toxic death cult.

in uniform that were ever taken in by this huckster (but sadly, I fear that might not the case). In any event .. for all those that feel sorrow, sickened and demoralized today .... With you. We'll get through this.

whether ot not he got to trump about it i don;t know, but would not surprise me one bit.. cause trump didn't/doesn't know shit about turks, kurds, iraquis, persians.. there ya go .. ask him sometime who PERSIANS are....

dumb fuck...

He's allowing the Kurds to be murdered in order to protect his revenue stream from his hotels.

Because I’m so out of words, myself.

My hatred of this “man” burns with the searing fire of a thousand suns.

I'm hearing more and more that even our SOF guys are starting to turn the corner. You've probably heard the same.

I don't post as often as I used to, but I do remember those who understand gruntspeak.

HOOAH, my brother.

referred to our allies and brothers in arms, too.

Perhaps a bone spur-challenged coward wasn't the American people's best choice for C-in-C.

His utter disrespect for active duty and retired personnel renders him unfit for that title. (The video shot by American Priority and shown at the Doral this weekend, shows him pistol-whipping John McCain. I'm aware that neither the RNC nor his campaign had any part in the making of this filth - but he has fostered, endorsed and enjoyed this kind of trash.)

Not all presidents are going to have a military background and I'm okay with that. But for a president to display such contempt for our military and our veterans informs me that he cannot be viewed as the Commander in Chief.

Nixon was my C-in-C and I have serious doubts if the son of a bitch was even human, but there it is.
Trump is a contemptible piece of chickenhawk shit, but he is what a minority of the American people elected him to be.
(And let's fix that STAT, shall we?)
I wish I wasn't too old to go back to our old mantra ... "It don't mean nothing" ... but sadly, I am.
And it does.

There is some indoctrination that goes on also. Such as allegiance to the country, understanding the rules of law and the chain of command.

AFAIK, there is no oath of fealty to a supreme leader, even if that leader has a moniker like Commander-in-Chief.

I've never served but I have worked with many that have, in most of the services and at non-officer and very high officer ranks including the JCS. Since Reagan and through W.

My experience is that 99% want to do what is right for the country. Not what's right for a "party" or a "leader". And I think they'll stand by their beliefs even when the tides from the top are pushing otherwise.

The new recruits do get their influences from their immediate superiors. They may come in with a grudge or a tendency but generally they'll understand reality.

I have hope and faith in our military as a whole.

Thanks!

I now am not honored to have been a Marine.

We do leave ours behind.

Lies! Nothing but lies and bullshit!

You are not to be trusted!

Chesty and Smedley are spinning.

I had that explained to me in drunken and occasionally violent detail many years ago.

So don't let the actions of a dishonorable, bone-spurred, cowardly asshole take that away from you.

And you're right, Chesty is spinning as fast or faster now.

If you still believe in this guy you need to get out of that uniform you wear. You shame yourselves and this country. The fact that ANYONE in uniform still supports this traitor is a sad commentary on our society. It was bad enough that he received any support from the beginning.

It just doesn't seem to be possible that I can be more disgusted with this pig in the White House then I am right now, but I know he won't disappoint me in today he will do something more Despicable than what he did yesterday.

I really hope everything bad Falls right on his head.... and very soon. I used to think Darth Cheney was evil... and he is... but this coward and grifter is even far more evil.

In fact I can't understand how any of our fighting men and women could support Chump, even before this fiasco in Syria. Anyone who sees real news (not Faux Snooze) and anyone who has access to the internet can see what's going on, and think for themselves.

Thank you for your service and thanks for standing up and saying what's right!

All this civilian can do is fight here at home, armed only with pen and laptop.

I feel so awful about the disgraceful position into which that bastard has put our military. That they have to sit and watch while their Kurdish colleagues are stabbed in the back.

I know very little about the rules and protocols here. Can the military defy a reckless, not just ill-advised but a NON-advised decision by a so-called commander-in-chief?

what they really think about Trump in public? I don't think so...

Article 88, UCMJ specifically forbids commissioned officers from making contemptuous statements toward any gov't official. It applies whether s/he is active, reserve, even retired. Now what 'contemptuous' means is probably up to the court martial board. I'd bet neither Kelley nor Mattis will call Trump a "fucking moron", in public anyway.

Warrant officers and enlisted, it's not specified. However, there's always good old Article 134, "Conduct Unbecoming". Depending upon how vocal, public and/or nasty a member of the working class is, a charge might be made.

Since veterans and retired officers have campaigned and been elected to political office while criticizing the president.

Criticizing policies, even actions isn't going to alert the JAG. Saying he has dead girls and live boys locked up at Camp David might generate some excitement among the great whites.

Further, let's get real, more slack would be cut for a four star than one and done enlistee. RHIP. In this case, the P stands for protection.

When the CinC shows up at a military base, it is a BIG HONKING deal. Whether you like the guy or not. It's a huge honor for your base to be visited. I remember once when the VP and the SecNav came to our TX base in the '80s. We turned the place upside down and inside out, cleaning, scrubbing, polishing. Everything had to pass the spit shine and white glove test. They even had the contingent of Marines out painting the rocks leading to the front gate. ("If it aint moving, paint it.&quot Not kidding.

Just because these guys are smiling and holding onto hats that were thrust into their hands does not mean they were ecstatic about trump.

We're the laughing stock of the world. Thanks conservatives everywhere!

I wasn't surprised to find out, given what I already knew about them.

But for all the hatred directed at 'draft-dodger' Bill Clinton, they sure love the hell out of bone-spurs Trump.

This Vet agrees with you. Betraying an Ally that just did most of the heavy lifting for you is lower than low. Not only will it be forever in potential allies' minds in the future, but it is also morally wrong to let your friends be slaughtered. No one will ever trust Americans to stand beside them in a fight. We have besmirched out Honor and the Honor of our Military. History will never forget this traitorous act. I will have no pity for this sorry bastard when it comes time for him to pay for this. And he will be held accountable someday.

I just want to say thank you. For your service, your struggle, your sacrifice, your love for your country. That you proved the hard way.

Thank you for speaking truth to power at this crucial time for our country - when truth is a dreadfully scarce commodity at the top of the ziggurat.