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Statement from Prince's estate re: Trump playing Purple Rain at rally (Original Post) New Breed Leader Oct 2019 OP
Trump using Prince's music in Minneapolis is blasphemy. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #1
smells like a lawsuit dweller Oct 2019 #2
How does that song have anything to do with anything tRumpian? Bayard Oct 2019 #3
Purple rain is the pseudo-royal Trump dynasty "reigning" down on us DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #20
Trump can't even keep his disgusting, thieving little hands off a dead man's music. Doodley Oct 2019 #4
I think Crazy Train would be better. Srkdqltr Oct 2019 #5
tRump, as usual, does what he wants to do when he wants to do it. Grammy23 Oct 2019 #6
Hope the kick comes in the form of a debilitating stroke... Moostache Oct 2019 #10
I knew it. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2019 #7
The MF campaign LIED? MontanaMama Oct 2019 #8
He does this with musicians all the time. BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #9
I hope the estate sues. nt babylonsister Oct 2019 #11
Usually you get one freebie gratuitous Oct 2019 #13
That asshole Trump True Dough Oct 2019 #12
Sue em or shut up !! flying-skeleton Oct 2019 #14
stop victim blaming obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #19
tRump doesn't care and doesn't pay his bills and if he's sued he counter sues, he is a lifetime con yaesu Oct 2019 #15
It may not be a "high crime" Roy Rolling Oct 2019 #16
Unfortunately, if he obtains a license from Global Music Rights Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #17
Prince's estate sold the rights to Purple Rain and most other music to Universal. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #21
thank you New Breed Leader Oct 2019 #22
Global Music Rights is a subsidiary of Universal. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #23
True. But most people would have the courtesy to refrain from using someone's music The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #24
Yup. I was just adding information - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #25
Prince's family are fighting each other in probate court over his estate, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #26
The first article I found said the rights were transferred from ASCAP Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #28
At the July 3 Rolling Stones concert in Redskins stadium Mick Jagger SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #29
He was to chickenshit to play Bob Dylan music Norbert Oct 2019 #18
Trump really thinks he can do as he pleases NastyRiffraff Oct 2019 #27
Gotta think the overlap between MAGAts and fans of "Purple Rain" is quite small. tanyev Oct 2019 #30

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
1. Trump using Prince's music in Minneapolis is blasphemy.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:14 PM
Oct 2019

I was afraid they'd do that - and even after they were told not to.

Bayard

(22,123 posts)
3. How does that song have anything to do with anything tRumpian?
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:31 PM
Oct 2019

A better choice would have been, "Let's Go Crazy".

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
6. tRump, as usual, does what he wants to do when he wants to do it.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:41 PM
Oct 2019

Asking politely and officially to refrain from using that music was tantamount to waving a red flag at a bull. He will not be denied. Such a disgusting small little man in mind and spirit. He is begging to get a huge kick in the ass and hopefully, some day very soon, that swift kick is coming.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
10. Hope the kick comes in the form of a debilitating stroke...
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:53 PM
Oct 2019

I have just the video clip of him in the way I want to see him suffer the rest of his life...just lots more drool on him than usual.

BigmanPigman

(51,623 posts)
9. He does this with musicians all the time.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:52 PM
Oct 2019

What can the musicians do to stop him? Many have asked him to stop but he doesn't listen to anyone and continues to use copyrighted music.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Usually you get one freebie
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 12:02 AM
Oct 2019

But that letter (Jones Day? Are you that hard up for clients?) would indicate that the Trump campaign already used that. I too hope Prince's estate sues the campaign.

True Dough

(17,314 posts)
12. That asshole Trump
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:58 PM
Oct 2019

has thumbed his nose at so many musical artists/bands who have demanded that he stop playing their music. Again, it just speaks to his "above the law" mentality. He truly believes he can simply do whatever he wants.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
15. tRump doesn't care and doesn't pay his bills and if he's sued he counter sues, he is a lifetime con
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 01:48 AM
Oct 2019

he knows how to play the capitalist system.

Ms. Toad

(34,085 posts)
17. Unfortunately, if he obtains a license from Global Music Rights
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:33 AM
Oct 2019

the licensing entity for Global Music Rights, there isn't much his estate can do.

Music licensing through the big entities isn't restricted by user - it's a neutral, venue based fees. I haven't worked with Global Music Rights, but I have licensed music from ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC. There wasn't any option to reject a licensee based on who they were. So the estate can complain, but they likely don't have any legal teeth.

Ms. Toad

(34,085 posts)
23. Global Music Rights is a subsidiary of Universal.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:26 PM
Oct 2019

My point is, though, that if he pays the licensing fee - Global Music Rights/Universal doesn't care who he is or what he stands for.

So - it's only unforgiving to people who use it without paying the license fee. As long as the fee is paid, they don't care if it is Trump or Obama or a kid's birthday party. That's how these public performance organizations work.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
24. True. But most people would have the courtesy to refrain from using someone's music
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:29 PM
Oct 2019

if they were asked not to, even if it would be technically legal. Trump's lawyers even promised he wouldn't use it, but we know what Trump's promises are worth.

Ms. Toad

(34,085 posts)
25. Yup. I was just adding information -
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:05 PM
Oct 2019

Because most people are unaware of how hard it is (from a legal perspective) to license your music broadly (so you can make a living off of it) - but pick and choose to whom you license it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
26. Prince's family are fighting each other in probate court over his estate,
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:12 PM
Oct 2019

and it doesn't surprise me that they'd sell the rights to his music. He's probably spinning in his grave, though; he was very protective of his name and his work. Years ago he changed his stage name to an unpronounceable symbol as part of a dispute with his record label and as a way out of a contract dispute.

Ms. Toad

(34,085 posts)
28. The first article I found said the rights were transferred from ASCAP
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:35 PM
Oct 2019

So it appears that sometime between 2014 (when he announced his own free-standing licensing entity) and the family transfer to Global Music rigths they at least briefly went through ASCAP.

Had they stuck with the 2014 company, they would have rights to challenge Trump's use. Since they went back to a standard public PRO, not so much.

29. At the July 3 Rolling Stones concert in Redskins stadium Mick Jagger
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 05:39 PM
Oct 2019

...opened (or closed, I forget which) You Can't Always Get What You Want, with a snark, "I understand it's good for sing-alongs at rallies."

They've had their lawyers ask Trump multiple times to stop playing it as his rallies but he ignores them and does anyway. Same situation as most artists are in. They don't control licensing, if you pay the fee to play a song at an event, you can. Artists regularly ask certain politicians, please don't, and most have the courtesy to desist. But the artists usually don't have the legal right to stop them.

Jagger also mocked the incredibly "escalating firepower" at the 4th of July events in DC, under the unmentioned Trump. The Stones had been there years when there were fireworks, but this time there would be 'Tanks! And fly-overs! And Inspirational Speeches!"



Keith Richards once pulled out his knife and slammed it into a Trump property table-top, yelling at their manager to get Trump OUT of the venue - a Trump casino auditorium - or he'd take care of it himself. They didn't know who Trump was, he'd somehow wangled being the promoter (to, of course, aggrandize himself), and not only was he his usual insufferable self but had put his own name above and bigger than the Rolling Stones' on the marquee. They'd had their fill of him and had already demanded that he leave the concert hall or they wouldn't take the stage... and of course he refused.

Keith's whipping out of his trusty blade and his threat to personally evict the asshole motivated their manager sufficiently to get Trump out.

Trump was kicked out of his own building. And the show did go on!

I love that story... such a great ending.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
18. He was to chickenshit to play Bob Dylan music
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 05:15 AM
Oct 2019

I guess it's much easier to steal from a dead music legend than a living one.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
27. Trump really thinks he can do as he pleases
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:17 PM
Oct 2019

He probably thinks (if he thinks at all) that Prince's family should be honored that he played his song.

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