Thanks for nothing

MSNBC and CNN canonized Mueller for 2 frigg'in years ...When we heard from His Holiness , We found out he was a cowardly dolt ….Mueller didn't even know what was in much of the " Mueller Report "

We waited for Fitzpatrick to do the right thing ...

And .... then ... Mueller ...

I am glad we quit waiting ...

He presented a report written for the GOP of 1955 to the GOP of 2019.

We Democrats like to say “read the report,” but it’s obvious you didn’t. Mueller gave us everything we needed in that report to immediately begin impeachment proceedings, and his testimony backed that up. It isn’t on him that the Democratic leadership decided, at the time, that there was no point in impeachment because the senate would never convict.

The only reason things have changed is that, while everything Mueller investigated was related to rigging a past election, what 45 attempted with Ukraine and elsewhere was to rig a future Election. That was the threat that moved it from “no point in impeachment, just vote him out in 2020” to “we need to impeach, because otherwise we may be facing an even more tilted playing surface in 2020.”

Please, look at the facts before putting partisan blinders on and going on a rant.

I just didn't have the energy ...

Totally.
Just this week I pulled this up and watched it. Adam Schiff was the one who could read between the lines, ask sensible questions, and now we are watching him go.

Mueller overestimated the ability of the general population to comprehend legal descriptions of criminal activity AND underestimated the depths of Barr's corruption.

Barr's delivered spin, combined with his delayed release of the report, allowed the US population in the mouth-breathing lower half of the IQ range to be manipulated into thinking that the report found nothing at all. And they STILL think that.

Trump/Barr/et al bet on the ignorance of the people. And they won this bet.

If anything, Barr's "report" combined with what was actually found in Mueller's report once it came out should have had every single US citizen calling for removal of at least Barr and Trump, if not the entire administration. Instead, most of the US was more interested in the latest edition of "Dancing With The Stars".

And there have been some dumb ones. Mueller handed Congress impeachment on a silver platter, if anybody had bothered to read the damn report.

Smart enough to understand it? She wasn’t swayed to impeach by it.

but realizes that voters and therefore their representatives are operating on a different plane. It took a while for the two to intersect.

Now, stray but related thought, when and how can we turn the attention to his cruel acts? Or do we have to wait for courts and committees to do their thing? The genocide of Kurds on top of the concentration camps within our own borders--can't that make SOMETHING happen? (This is my Naive Twin talking.)

Obviously not.

Barr and that asinine policy that you can't indict a sitting president (it's not in the Constitution and is just something some functionary came up with). He gave us plenty of evidence for impeachment so IMO he should've stood up to Barr and trump for the nation and indicted the orange crook.

He was a disappointment in that sense after waiting so long and watching trump get worse and worse in running roughshod over our country and its institutions.

What did he have to fear? He had a cushy posiion in his law firm and didn't need to fear losing his job.

He could've been, should've been the hero this country needs. Now it's Speaker Pelosi, the fired ambassador and the whistle blowers. Thank God for them or trump would've gotten away with everything.

Probably get some nice Republican clients now.

just in a more visible and frightening than usual display of the abysmal impotency of American law enforcement in the realms of most white collar and political crime.

I've seen it up close. What our system has grown to accept as standard practice is a whole lot of "Nope, not gonna try to prosecute that" decisions when absolutely every single element of a case maybe isn't "a slam dunk."

All of which has protected prosecutors' won-loss records and future private sector job prospects... as well as kept some judges from grumbling at them. But the oceans of decline-to--prosecute decisions have done real harm in rewarding and further emboldening well-heeled criminals in our country.

I don't think Mueller was acting as a Republican shill.

I think that's just how pathetically ineffective we've become at this kind of law enforcement in the U.S.

They can hear the info., read the info, and not be able to grasp it.

Had they stayed sober, or awake, and listened to what was available, they would grasp what the hell happened, and why. They would be aware of the conditions imposed upon the investigations, and how that affected the results. They would see the deeply impressively work accomplished despite the incredible restrictions and limits which forced Mueller to conduct the investigation against odds which would have made success impossible for any ordinary prosecutor.

You have given us reason to believe in the moral soundness of actual Democrats and Progressives who come here to learn, to share, and to work toward a better society.

Thanks for taking the time to write that commentary, you probably had no idea what an inspiration it actually is some of us, even with the heavy load of troll barnacles!

Things that mske DU look kinda dumb

What is with all these Mueller bash threads?

...and the fact that none of those restrictions were put in place by Mueller.

It's people like you who prevent DU looking like Dumbisthan.

Mueller was an out and out failure to protect the nation.

Still don't trust republicans.

disappointment by the ballless wonder. He got run over and said”thank you”.

That wasn't even his job. He handed Congress a clear road map to impeachment and they didn't take it. That wasn't his fault.

But still disappointed in him. Probably always will be.

The "I'm Not Stickin' my Neck Out" branch. Not as bad as Trumpies, TeaBaggers, or Birchers. See Dan Coats. See Milque Toast. I thought he was the real deal too. Sadly not so. Safely ensconced back in his NY law firm, I see.

the case on Rudy’s two goons and Rudy’s involvement is one of the cases Mueller passed off to SDNY.

Welcome to DU!

I’ve actually been here for years, just rarely posted until now. Don’t really like the format. It’s kind of dated.

I think your rage is righteous in nature. I also think Mueller did his job as he saw it was to be done. The report would have gotten Obama impeached in a week as a national security threat.

But there were lots of people dancing here at DU about how the Mueller Report was going to bring down Trump. Apparently they don't remember Fitzmas and the gloating about how Bush and Cheney were going to be frog-marched to The Hague.

He wouldn’t do so
He could still do do today
But he wont

the redacted parts before i pass judgement ... he did say what was available provided a roadmap for Congress to do their duty,

and so they are...

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Did he? When did he say that?

it's in there in his own
words,
i don't have time to look it up right now, maybe ltr

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Without Mueller none of what we see right now would be happening.

Not to mention his report laid out a clear blueprint for impeachment on obstruction.

But you didn’t get your pony immediately.

We get it.

would have started in May. And Mueller didn’t write the report, his team did and it was in legal code that most people couldn’t understand

Mueller worked within the confines of the law, as it governed his position. No more, no less. He didn't have the range or the authority Ken Starr, the Independent Counsel law was canned after he was done with Bill Clinton.

Mueller cracked the door open, gave Trump enough rope to hang himself (and he did), and enabled the Democrats to pursue a robust impeachment inquiry.

Ultimately he didn't and the country is worse for it. Thank God Speaker Pelosi, the fired ambassador, the whistle blowers and trump's rampaging stupidity in his phone call to the Ukrainian president saved the day and possibly the country from it's undeniable, rightward lurch towards fascism.

He would've been the hero the country needed if he had stood up to the corrupt Barr and indicted the orange crook. Leaving it to the American people to read the complex 400+ pages and for Congress to wait for the public to get on board did not work.

not a law.

self and did what the country needed at the time and indicted the orange turd. We might've already been rid of him.

But maybe it worked out for the best as Pence, Barr and Pompeo are all emeshed in the Ukraine scandal and may be gone as well—not to mention Ghouliani who might follow his henchmen to jail.

All in due time. We simply do our ultimate best and the results will reflect that.

I have some disappointment in the manner in which the Mueller report played out thus far. Time will tell. A hidden plus for the Dems? Maybe/maybe not.

Only hope we have is continual wrong doing coming out regarding the dump & Co.

saying Junior wasn't culpable for the trump tower meeting, etc, because Junior was too stupid to possess the requite intent to break the law.

I recall the days of "Fitsmas" and got royally screwed. Never trust a Republican, they will always disappoint you. Fuck them.

..was because he believed that the president could not be indicted. He said during the testimony that there are constitutional remedies for when a president breaks the law. I think he expected the Democratic majority in the house would impeach and said nearly as much during his testimony about his report.

Mueller did his job, the failure to impeach based on the Mueller report lies solely with Representative Pelosi.

That's exactly why less than a third of Democrats were for impeachment after his wimpy report. Obstruction was never going to bring trump down.

Wow, such power behind one man that he stopped Representative Pelosi from performing her duty.

mainly because Mueller said over 21 times that he found no evidence indicating that anyone in trump’s campaign conspired, colluded, cooperated, or whatever you want to call it, with the Ruskies. Mueller knew Obstruction was not sufficient to take trump down.

Pelham sense enough to realize that too.

He investigated, got indictments, plea agreements, sent some to jail. He also got lots of obstruction and collusions.

He made the report and turned it over to congress. He made it clear that it was up to congress to act on it. He followed DOJ guidelines.

What makes you think a Dem would have done any different?

Plus did you even read that report? Did you watch that testimony? That stuff was as incriminating as it could get for tRump.

Mueller worked with what he had. He had no way of knowing about tRump shaking down the Ukraine.

And here we are, tRump is likely to get impeached. The world is getting smaller and smaller for that asshole with each passing day.

None of this is Mueller's fault.

What happened was that tRump, like any criminal, thought he could keep getting away with this shit.

Don't let the hate and anger eat you up like this.

That Trump had at least a dozen potential instances of obstruction of justice and he recommended further investigation by congress. Kind of wimpy, but not too bad

Whole heartedly agree with your post... Mueller gave everything needed for a properly functioning Congress to impeach DT. But we don’t have a properly functioning Congress. We know this and so did Mueller. Given the unprecedented nature of congressional dysfunction Mueller should have taken an unprecedented action and recommended indictment of DT regardless of the OLC memo. History will judge his actions as lackluster in a time that needed a clear unrestrained voice for the rule of law.

He's conservative. He's old school. I do not think he was dirty or malicious. And he clearly assumed more Americans might care to read his report. :/

We have something that is much better than Russia-gate now, mostly because we did not find a "smoking gun" then--something easy for Americans to comprehend.

Had we started impeachment after the Mueller report, we would have had to switch tracks at this point--and this part would have eclipsed the previous.

There are a lot of things to lament but we put too much on Mueller.

And with no second bite at the apple, we'd be completely screwed.

I’m wondering how much control he actually had over the investigation, or was he just a front man. But I do agree, that whole initiative was a waste of time.

You call that a waste of time??

He turned his report over to congress and left it in their hands, as he should.

Glad for the Manafort, Cohen and other indictments. Some got very short sentences or were dismissed. 27 of those indictment were against Russian nationals and will never come to trial.

I expected as much from him. ALL REPUKES ARE GARBAGE!!! The sooner democratic thinkers Get that in their heads the better the country can be

Thanks for breaking through the clutter and calling out this well-cloaked tool in a clever gaslighting effort.

Sometimes we prefer not to believe what is staring us in the face, but it seems clear that this whole "investigation" was orchestrated to distract and fool us.

With every such antic they are buying time in which to leverage power to commit their crimes and enrich themselves at the expense of all of us and the nation.

That's why I am not jumping on the crucify Mueller bandwagon.

Anyway, here are my problems with Mueller now that I have had a chance to cool off:

1. He made it quite clear that testifying to Congress would be torture for him. Why? An honest prosecutor intent on punishing guilty parties would have jumped at this opportunity. Also, why did he ask the DOJ to tell him what he could say??? I mean my god!!
2. Didn't subpoena Trump when he could have done so and in an expedited fashion won a court battle compelling testimony.
3. Stayed silent and allowed Trump to define the Russian affair in a large segment of the public.
4. When he knew Barr was going to whitewash his report, an immediate leak at the very least was in order. A brave soul would have held a press conference on the steps of DOJ decrying the coverup.
5. Sweet heart plea deals to Flynn and Gates. Nothing to bring Dotard down received in return.

He was either incompetent or a fraud. Neither are flattering.

Your rant reeks of disingenuousness.

Has one side of your face and body suddenly gone numb? Seeing spots? Severe head pain? Slurring words?

... posting this?

thx in advance

Because he did not know what was in the Report …...He didn't want to make a fool of himself ... Sad , but true

with his own alternative facts. Many Americans took the Barr version as fact, which it was not.

He didn’t say he could prove all the things I know are true. Even before his report came out, people were already saying there was enough evidence to impeach him, I don’t know why we waited this long.

I did.

If you didn't, then STFU.

And after 9-11, so many interesting leads were swept under the rug, and the Saudis were not held accountable.

The American people are kept in the dark about far too many things. Maybe if more had been expected of the American people to be given the truth and made to understand the world around them, they would have languished in ignorance to such an extent that they could elect such a primitive stooge as trump.

After 9-11, people hungered to know the truth, and not enough of it was given.

Not.

1. what is redacted
2. what made Mueller decide to announce his departure when Barr was gone
3. so many other things that turned up while they were doing the investigation--for example, remember Nadler's arrest on child porn? Don't look it up unless you are totally numb. The indictment is horrifying. That is one spin-off that was discovered by Mueller and team and then filed away to be used--successfully--when Nadler returned to the U.S.
Who knows what other horrors he found.


Nobody--including Mueller--knew
that Barr would replace Sessions or his delegate, Rosenstein, therefore upending SDNY, where Mueller had sent at least a few spin-offs of the investigation

We will never know all that Mueller knew, and we still don't know where charges are planted that can explode in people's faces when we and they least expect it.

He warned us about Russian organized crime decades ago. He knows how complicated it is. I don't think we know.

Also, the idea that any single figure--especially a tall, white man--can save us--is an invitation to disappointment. (Although I caught myself falling into it pretty early on.)

He did not let Trump off the hook, and his report and the fallout from it are a big part of why we're holding the impeachment hearings today.

Mueller was a joke.

After all, he was around to limit and control all the destructive nonsense the last republican administration got us into, without any explosive revelations being exposed.

Mueller actually did more this time in exposing that there was a serious problem and the trail should be investigated further. He was not going to be the one to determine whether that happened or not. Mueller did pass off several investigations to the Justice Department to investigate further, which were pointing to serious corruption and crimes. If you also noticed that several republican members of congress and blowhards started going away quietly in the night, which didn't make sense to people even before polls became an issue. I suspected all along that Mueller was probably "cleaning" house behind the scenes, but in a way to limit republican damage. Again, Mueller was never there to present an explosive national crisis to explode on the country and obliterate the republican party.

Mueller's biggest mistake is that he trusted that Billy Barr had the integrity to release the full report to be picked up by Congress immediately, instead of the lying and the obfuscation that took place. That is why Mueller appeared on TV to explain how dangerous it would be for the U.S. to not pick up where he left off, in spite of having being absolutely against saying anymore or being in public. Mueller did NOT appear in Barr's photo op of the Mueller report either, which gave more of a hint what was happening. Mueller was not there to decide the facts that exposed it all, only start the process of cleaning up what he warned was still happening that Congress needed to address. Even Mueller realized that he was in over his head when tRump could make the republican party turn on him. Should he have just refused to limit or wait it out until getting fired before anything could be reported or done behind the scenes?

I never got excited about releasing the full Mueller report, because all the black ink even being on it kept feeding the drive to investigate more. What you are witnessing today is just the beginning of it all coming unraveled for tRump and his gang. Every person working in government, in Congress, in the press and media, and everyone outside of that should remember well who exactly stood against this country, because it proves they have no moral integrity or clarity. Don't buy the bullshit that they were tricked too, because they should have fucking known better before blathering the same bullshit or not calling it that. That is especially true for those that collect a government paycheck and how they should be dealt with in their careers and future political cover. No more good cop bad cop routines to limit what We The People get compared the connected players and wealthy elite.

And all of this corrupted crap goes back to what Nixon (Faux Newz created by who) started and that just happens to coincide with how long the economic collapse of average working Americans has taken place.
Even middle class Americans that think they are well to do, only have the "paper" that was mentioned in the movie 'Margin Call' which explains the modern USA very well.