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BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts) Fri Oct 11, 2019, 09:50 PM Oct 2019

BREAKING: Giuliani Is Said to Be Under Investigation for Ukraine Work

WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are investigating whether President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani broke lobbying laws in his dealings in Ukraine, according to two people familiar with the inquiry.

The investigators are examining Mr. Giuliani’s efforts to undermine the American ambassador to Ukraine, Marie L. Yovanovitch, one of the people said. She was recalled in the spring as part of Mr. Trump’s broader campaign to pressure Ukraine into helping his political prospects.

The investigation into Mr. Giuliani is tied to the case against two of his associates who were arrested this week on campaign finance-related charges, the people familiar with the inquiry said. The associates were charged with funneling illegal contributions to a congressman whose help they sought in removing Ms. Yovanovitch.

Mr. Giuliani has denied wrongdoing, but he acknowledged that he and the associates worked with Ukrainian prosecutors to collect potentially damaging information about Ms. Yovanovitch and other targets of Mr. Trump and his allies, including former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his younger son, Hunter Biden. Mr. Giuliani shared that material this year with American government officials and a Trump-friendly columnist in an effort to undermine the ambassador and other Trump targets.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-investigation.html

ETA - Rachel brought up this story too just as she was going off the air. Ari is in for Lawrence and is supposed to cover it.

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BREAKING: Giuliani Is Said to Be Under Investigation for Ukraine Work (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP

I want so much to see Fat Nosferatu doing the perp walk. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #1

Oct. 11, 2019, 9:44 p.m. ET elleng Oct 2019 #2

Next week I have my fingers crossed for a "Goodbye Rudy Tuesday" Blue Owl Oct 2019 #3

"Goodbye Rudy Tuesday"! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #5

Who could hang a frame on you? dchill Oct 2019 #34

When you crime with every new day Captain Zero Oct 2019 #36

More insane with every new day The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #39

Trump is gonna dis you dchill Oct 2019 #44

Don't be surprised if he dies of a sudden heart attack malaise Oct 2019 #4

His divorce trial is supposed to start in January BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10

What Whoa! sheshe2 Oct 2019 #6

Investigating whether he broke lobbying laws BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #12

Important snip here: Guliani saying the president directed him to engage in the scheme at the heart MelissaB Oct 2019 #7

He's is still screwed. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #15

So Cohen should not have been prosecuted since Trump directed him? triron Oct 2019 #16

He was just following orders. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #19

Tweet from Michael Schmidt (article author) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #8

Ooops. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #18

Michael Schmidt was just on Lawrence's show (Ari is in for Lawrence) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #20

Dayum. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #23

You would think that if you are doing illegal stuff BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #24

;) sheshe2 Oct 2019 #26

...... BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #28

So Rudy led the SDNY at a time in the past when Trump was thieving around New York left and right? Captain Zero Oct 2019 #37

Yup BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #45

Your headline is old news. triron Oct 2019 #9

No - this is new and just breaking BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #13

Yes you are correct. But the headline is old news (from yesterday). triron Oct 2019 #14

It's the current headline from the NYT article that was published at 9:45 pm EDT BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #17

Not arguing that. But we knew he was under investigation related to Ukraine yesterday. triron Oct 2019 #21

Michael Schmidt was just on MSNBC BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #22

Lessee, I can only Rec once but can Kick without limit?!1 UTUSN Oct 2019 #11

you'd kick a Rude Ghoul when he's down?!? Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #29

It sounds so bad when you put it like that!1 UTUSN Oct 2019 #31

the Ghoul will make you doubt reality Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #32

Michael Cohen is about to get a new roommate. n/t Yavin4 Oct 2019 #25

Let's hope so! BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #27

Just fucking arrest him JenniferJuniper Oct 2019 #30

They really should though ck4829 Oct 2019 #50

Lock him up! Lock him up! tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #33

About damn time. dalton99a Oct 2019 #35

He's got some explaining to do. Why is he hanging out with two goofs with no visible means of catbyte Oct 2019 #38

Every time it rains it rains, rubles from heaven... sandensea Oct 2019 #40

Make a deal, Rudy DrToast Oct 2019 #41

Yep, know when to fold them ck4829 Oct 2019 #49

And Trump said, "Rudy, look a penny in the street! Right there in the bus lane. Go get it." tclambert Oct 2019 #42

"whether" he broke foreign lobbying laws? Let me save you some time: He did. flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #43

Lock him up!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #46

Indeed ck4829 Oct 2019 #48

K&R ck4829 Oct 2019 #47

When he's put under oath to talk duforsure Oct 2019 #51

I think the reason why he has hung on this long BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #52

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)

1. I want so much to see Fat Nosferatu doing the perp walk.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 09:52 PM

Oct 2019

elleng

(130,974 posts)

2. Oct. 11, 2019, 9:44 p.m. ET

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 09:59 PM

Oct 2019

By Michael S. Schmidt, Ben Protess, Kenneth P. Vogel and William K. Rashbaum

Coming up on Rachel!!!!

Blue Owl

(50,427 posts)

3. Next week I have my fingers crossed for a "Goodbye Rudy Tuesday"

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:00 PM

Oct 2019

Haul Noun-Verb-911 to the klink...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)

5. "Goodbye Rudy Tuesday"!

Reply to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:02 PM

Oct 2019

dchill

(38,505 posts)

34. Who could hang a frame on you?

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:43 PM

Oct 2019

Captain Zero

(6,811 posts)

36. When you crime with every new day

Reply to dchill (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:01 AM

Oct 2019

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)

39. More insane with every new day

Reply to dchill (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:26 AM

Oct 2019

I’m not gonna miss you.

dchill

(38,505 posts)

44. Trump is gonna dis you

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 01:57 AM

Oct 2019

malaise

(269,057 posts)

4. Don't be surprised if he dies of a sudden heart attack

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:02 PM

Oct 2019

He knows where the bodies are buried.

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

10. His divorce trial is supposed to start in January

Reply to malaise (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:10 PM

Oct 2019

and his 3rd wife needs her "half" before anything happens!

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)

6. What Whoa!

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:07 PM

Oct 2019

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

12. Investigating whether he broke lobbying laws

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:12 PM

Oct 2019

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212573977#post8

(sounds like the type of stuff that Flynn and Manafort went through)

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)

7. Important snip here: Guliani saying the president directed him to engage in the scheme at the heart

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:08 PM

Oct 2019

of impeachment inquiry.

Mr. Giuliani said that federal prosecutors had no grounds to charge him with foreign lobbying disclosure violations because he said he was acting on behalf of Mr. Trump, not the Ukrainian prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, when he collected the information on Ms. Yovanovitch and the others and relayed it to the American government and the news media.

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

15. He's is still screwed.

Reply to MelissaB (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:16 PM

Oct 2019

Apparently there were other wild things going on with him too - notably with his "clients" who got arrested.

triron

(22,007 posts)

16. So Cohen should not have been prosecuted since Trump directed him?

Reply to MelissaB (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:18 PM

Oct 2019

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)

19. He was just following orders.

Reply to MelissaB (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:23 PM

Oct 2019

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

8. Tweet from Michael Schmidt (article author)

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:08 PM

Oct 2019

Link to tweet

TEXT
Michael S. Schmidt
✔
@nytmike

NEW: SDNY, an office Giuliani once led, is investigating whether he broke foreign lobbying laws in his dealings in Ukraine and are examining his
efforts to remove the US ambassador to Ukraine. @benprotess @kenvogel @WRashbaum https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-investigation.html …
Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of President Trump’s personal lawyers, said his efforts to push for investigations in Ukraine originated with his legal defense of Mr. Trump.
Giuliani Is Said to Be Under Investigation for Ukraine Work

Prosecutors are investigating whether the president’s lawyer broke laws meant to prevent covert foreign influence on the government.
nytimes.com
692
9:45 PM - Oct 11, 2019

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)

18. Ooops.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:21 PM

Oct 2019

SDNY, an office Giuliani once led, is investigating whether he broke foreign lobbying laws in his dealings in Ukraine and are examining his
efforts to remove the US ambassador to Ukraine.

An office Giuliani once led, is investigating HIM! The irony. His ass is grass. Buh Bye ya fool. Trump chucked ya under the bus. Time to start singing.

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

20. Michael Schmidt was just on Lawrence's show (Ari is in for Lawrence)

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:23 PM

Oct 2019

That's the narrative running now - the irony of him being investigated by the office he used to lead.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)

23. Dayum.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:30 PM

Oct 2019

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

24. You would think that if you are doing illegal stuff

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:32 PM

Oct 2019

you'd keep a low profile. But they have been so flippant and arrogant and self-important that they really are doing what Nancy Pelosi predicted - "self impeaching".

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)

26. ;)

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #24)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:40 PM

Oct 2019

In Peach Mint

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

28. ......

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:42 PM

Oct 2019

Captain Zero

(6,811 posts)

37. So Rudy led the SDNY at a time in the past when Trump was thieving around New York left and right?

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:05 AM

Oct 2019

But never being charged.
And Rudy is today working like a mule for Trump.
Now I see said the blind man.

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

45. Yup

Reply to Captain Zero (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:21 AM

Oct 2019

I know I have posted elsewhere that all kinds of people dropped the ball in NY, resulting in his arrogant and reckless behavior.

triron

(22,007 posts)

9. Your headline is old news.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:10 PM

Oct 2019

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

13. No - this is new and just breaking

Reply to triron (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:13 PM

Oct 2019

It actually adds additional info (per Rachel) to earlier reports of his activities. I.e., he is under investigation for possibly breaking lobbying laws.

triron

(22,007 posts)

14. Yes you are correct. But the headline is old news (from yesterday).

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:15 PM

Oct 2019

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

17. It's the current headline from the NYT article that was published at 9:45 pm EDT

Reply to triron (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:19 PM

Oct 2019

(habit from posting in LBN where I also posted it)

Michael Schmidt is on Lawrence's show right now (Ari is in for Lawrence).

triron

(22,007 posts)

21. Not arguing that. But we knew he was under investigation related to Ukraine yesterday.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

Oct 2019

Don't know why the NYTimes doesn't provide more clarification.

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

22. Michael Schmidt was just on MSNBC

Reply to triron (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:28 PM

Oct 2019

Some more from the article -

Federal law requires American citizens to disclose to the Justice Department any contacts with the government or media in the United States at the direction or request of foreign politicians or government officials, regardless of whether they pay for the representation. Law enforcement officials have made clear in recent years that covert foreign influence is as great a threat to the country as spies trying to steal government secrets.

/snip

CNN and other news organizations reported that federal prosecutors were scrutinizing Mr. Giuliani’s financial dealings with his associates, but it has not been previously reported that federal prosecutors in Manhattan are specifically investigating whether he violated foreign lobbying laws in his work in Ukraine.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)

11. Lessee, I can only Rec once but can Kick without limit?!1

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Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:11 PM

Oct 2019

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)

29. you'd kick a Rude Ghoul when he's down?!?

Reply to UTUSN (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:59 PM

Oct 2019

Lemme have a shot at that.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)

31. It sounds so bad when you put it like that!1

Reply to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)

32. the Ghoul will make you doubt reality

Reply to UTUSN (Reply #31)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:11 PM

Oct 2019

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)

25. Michael Cohen is about to get a new roommate. n/t

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:35 PM

Oct 2019

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

27. Let's hope so!

Reply to Yavin4 (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:41 PM

Oct 2019

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)

30. Just fucking arrest him

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:02 PM

Oct 2019

Pardon my English.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)

50. They really should though

Reply to JenniferJuniper (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:40 AM

Oct 2019

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)

33. Lock him up! Lock him up!

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:17 PM

Oct 2019

I wonder if he decides to roll over on Trump- what Trumpkins will think? What will his cronies over at Fox think?

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)

35. About damn time.

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Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:00 AM

Oct 2019

catbyte

(34,403 posts)

38. He's got some explaining to do. Why is he hanging out with two goofs with no visible means of

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:13 AM

Oct 2019

support yet are trying to schmear around $1,000,000 donations to assorted republicans?

sandensea

(21,639 posts)

40. Every time it rains it rains, rubles from heaven...

Reply to catbyte (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:36 AM

Oct 2019

Actually it's kopecks from heaven; but Vlad doesn't deal in small change.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)

41. Make a deal, Rudy

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:40 AM

Oct 2019

Sing and sing loudly.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)

49. Yep, know when to fold them

Reply to DrToast (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:40 AM

Oct 2019

tclambert

(11,087 posts)

42. And Trump said, "Rudy, look a penny in the street! Right there in the bus lane. Go get it."

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Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:41 AM

Oct 2019

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)

43. "whether" he broke foreign lobbying laws? Let me save you some time: He did.

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Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:58 AM

Oct 2019

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)

46. Lock him up!!!!

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 01:37 PM

Oct 2019

ck4829

(35,077 posts)

48. Indeed

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:39 AM

Oct 2019

ck4829

(35,077 posts)

47. K&R

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:39 AM

Oct 2019

duforsure

(11,885 posts)

51. When he's put under oath to talk

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 06:33 AM

Oct 2019

He'll really be on the spot because he doesn't know what they already know , so if he lies , goodbye freedom, so it'll be fun to watch him make that choice. Is he willing to rot in prison for trump, or stay free. If he has any sense, which he may not have, he'll talk, and before trump starts his attacks and threats on him.

BumRushDaShow

(129,115 posts)

52. I think the reason why he has hung on this long

Reply to duforsure (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 06:37 AM

Oct 2019

when compared to what happened to Cohen, is that he knows where a bunch of other "bodies are buried" after having a relationship with him even longer than Cohen did (many decades). He figures that is the ace up his sleeve but he may be in for a rude awakening.

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