...who have rejected the teachings of Jesus." -- John Fugelsang

Reid Warns Trump Will Be Tough to Beat In 2020.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212576230

Thought today would be a good day. I think I was wrong.

worshiping a man.

Heh

I'd bet 85% of televangelist followers did convert to Trump. You know .... faith healer believers

about right.

those two corinthians!

They're meaner and far less entertaining than the charismatic faith healing types who follow the more widely known televangelists. For instance, people like Falwell Jr., Franklin Graham, John Hagee and virtually all Southern Baptists. Though they won't say it in public, but they think the charismatics are low brow and nutty. I think they're all nutty.

they think he will bring it on
as if god would welcome them (if there is a god)

This is a leading newspaper that is saying the right things on the opinion page. This is a watershed event.

The Sun-Times was more liberal-leaning and the Tribune was conservative.

Wallis founded Sojourners, I think. He was already a liberal Christian. I've never understood how any Christian could be anything but liberal, so I generally agree with him. I don't imagine he ever supported Trump though, so this isn't some realignment from the crazy "christians."

Thanks, kpete.

like over 100 did for Clinton to resign.

but I do think those days are coming. I would prefer them nowish..

Not so much anymore. The author was arrested in 2005 for hitting his wife. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Steinberg

I never met him, but he sounds like a jerk.

The Sea of Galilee (actually a lake) is also Kurd territory?
If you follow the genealogy given for Jesus it included both the
paternal and maternal family lines because of harems. They
stayed in the family. A curious note is that king Mithridates VI
(the poison king) had a harem and, of course he came from a
Harem. He had a brother named Chrestus. Mithridates took his
sister as a wife and went on an excursion. When he came back
he discovered an extra child in his harem that belonged to his
wife/sister and their brother Chrestus.
Years later his great general (Archelaus) comes into being
and historians believe he is related to king Mithridates. General
Archelaus* comes into has a heritage that produces the "kings
of Cappadocia". The last king of Cappadocia fits a vague description
of Jesus' grandfather Jacob. The last king of Cappadocia died in
Rome in 17 A.D. It may be that this Jacob had a brother named
Chrestus. Actually there were several religious leaders called
Chrestus which means "the Good".
What I am thinking is that these Kurds, and there are millions of them,
may be precious to Americans. Oh, they are not Christians, they are
Chrestians.

*Archelaus may be this extra child in the harem. Archelaus' grandson (or son)
married an Egyptian queen, maybe an aunt of Cleopatra.

I am not qualified to talk about these Eastern nations. We came
to America on the boats after the Mayflower, I just love the lore.

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I don't recall ever hearing anything about Mary's or Joseph's parents. To my knowledge, there has never yet been unearthed any historical record of Jesus. So where did a name and some "vague description" of a Grandpa Jacob come from?




Edited to add: You also mention "the genealogy given for Jesus." Is this in the Bible? Is that where Jacob is mentioned?

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"I do not know" is why I use question marks. When we get into
allowing the murdering of cults in the holy land and claim not to be
atheist and truly believe, then we should know what we are
getting into.

The gospels mention "Nazareth" and "Galilee" which are in
Cappadocia. I was trying to follow the genealogy of the
last king of Cappadocia in comparison to the patriarch Jacob
and did good until Mithridates V and his Persian wife. I wondered
if the genealogy of his wife was the one that was used for Jesus
because this is where I discovered Chrestus' (plural). Chrestus
came from her genealogy and not Mithridates, who was a Seleucid
(Greek).

Reading Thiering I am convinced the good book is historically
accurate and feel that I should offer a word of caution. Thiering
mentions the old age of Jacob and the old age of the last king
of Cappadocia is a historical fact.

Thanks, and you are welcome to ignore what I write ... be happy!

I love the headline. What newspaper is this? Is it just wishful thinking? I would very much like to see an article like this in a major newspaper.

He apparently doesn't get it.

I have NEVER understood how a spiritual person of any stripe could support Trump. Ever.

what does the GOP do that Jesus would approve of?

Thanks for the thread kpete.

Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

They support Trump who says he is so perfect that he does not need Christ or his forgiveness.

Like today's evangelical/religious right supporters, Trump is a Political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

Evangelicals/religious right are easily able to spin their beliefs for political expediency.

The Donald who does not have to ask Jesus for forgiveness.

The Donald who ridicules Holy Communion.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

Trump is just an extreme example.

I'm supposed to love other people, just like I believe that God loves them. And I'm supposed to forgive others for the bad things that they do, just as I hope God will forgive me for the shitty things I've done. (And even more so for all the good things I *could* have done, but didn't.) But I just can't abide what these people have been doing in our name.

I don't favor an open border, and I understand that immigration must have limits. But separating families, sometimes permanently, is so unacceptable. Some of those children might never recover from the damage inflicted on them. All just to "prove a point" and appear "tough" on immigration.

And the so-called good Christians who just don't care - who blame the desperate parents and say "that's what they get" - I find it very hard to break bread with such people. I can't understand them at all. There is something fundamentally different between them and me.

And it isn't just that issue. It's pretty much all of them. All of their policies seek to comfort the comfortable and/or afflict the afflicted. They should just go ahead and change the party motto to "Am I my brother's keeper?". Although, if they think the answer to that question is "no", then I'm pretty sure they missed the whole point.

Robison was one of W's mentors.

Some yrs ago I saw him on TV oohing and aahing over his memory of Reagan actually condescending to speak at a Religious Right gathering

IIRC he had a long article in his newsletter about how the Ferguson protests and BLM are a major threat to America's 'Christian heritage'

Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/21/trump_voter_if_jesus_christ_came_down_from_the_cross_and_told_me_trump_was_with_russia_i_wouldnt_believe_him.html

About 2:55 on the timeline.

"Let me tell you," he continued. "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it is true. That is how confident I feel in the president."

Nice!

and will. Trump christians have rationalized their vote with the help of RW media which those christians see as led by 'god-fearing' people.