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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe abandonment of the Kurds in Syria IS an impeachable offense.
What is a "high crime or misdemeanor" is up to Congress to decide. It is undefined in the Constitution. Trump made the decision to hand the Kurds over to the Turks without consulting the military, the IC, or anyone else who is knowledgeable in this country. Now, he may have consulted with Erdogan or Putin on the matter, but that, in itself, could be impeachable.
We do not have a King in the United States. We have an elected President. If the House of Representatives decides that betrayal of our Kurdish allies is an impeachable offense, then it IS a high crime or misdemeanor. The House decides and then hands the case over to the Senate for judgment.
Make no mistake, corruption and corrupt decisions about how we treat our allies can be impeachable, and are in the case of Donald Trump.
The House decides what is impeachable. Nobody else has that authority, and that authority is written into the Constitution.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)There's no other word for what is happening than appalling. And Trump's complete indifference to the bloodshed is chilling.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)but I know that the House gets to define what the charges are in its Articles of Impeachment. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is left undefined in the Constitution for a reason. It covers all sorts of things, including tyrannical decisions that harm the United States.
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
dawg day
(7,947 posts)What's worse is that it was all on whim, or all in service to another dictator's whim or interests. There wasn't any consultation with advisor's. There wasn't any negotiations. There wasn't any planning with the military. it was all just a talk with the Turkish dictator, and then almost immediate action. He deliberately, I think, didn't warn the Kurds and didn't give them time to prepare.
That's us the abuse of power .. bypassing all the deliberations and consultations to do what only he and his dictators wanted. He didn't care about what was good for the country and allies.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)in every jurisdiction.
still_one
(92,219 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Trump's actions speak for themselves. He has put our allies in harm's way, deliberately and maliciously. And all without any deliberation or consultation with the military, State department, or the intelligence community. He deliberately did not seek their advice and counsel, because he knew they would have said, "Don't do that, Mr. President."
On the other hand Erdogan and Putin thought it was a great idea, I'm sure. So, he is acting on behalf of foreign government officials in ways that endanger others, including our own military forces in the region.
Igel
(35,320 posts)Hard to be sure.
Not as bad as abandoning Vietnam, which was bipartisan. (Nixon may be president, but denial of funding left him with only illegal options if he *had* wanted to help.)
Not as bad as helping to create chaos in Libya or Iraq.
Then again, there are a lot of bad implications from indifferent intentions. Just look at how illegal drug use in the US has led to so much murder and violence in Colombia and Mexico. We can blame those making it illegal, but ultimately it's the demand that's driving it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,734 posts)it was intended to squelch Castro's takeover of Cuba using a CIA-directed guerilla group of Cuban exiles. The operation was discovered and quickly fell apart; as a result, Kennedy decided not to use any more military force in Cuba and risk starting WWIII (ref. the Cuban Missile Crisis a few years later). It was a mistaken, poorly-executed plan. Trump's action regarding the Kurds was worse than a mistake; it was done intentionally to satisfy Erdogan and ultimately Putin (and also, IMO, to show the world that he really has power even though the Deep State is trying to take him down. )