-there are no facts
-both sides are the same
-he should not vote because it's futile

Yes that's him in a nutshell. I guess he's the perfect person for Russian interference. If he gets on social media at all he will side with any Russian troll in front of him. I'm guess Vlad the Impaler will have done his job perfectly.

Keep the people home from voting who hate Trump. This makes me madder than a hornet.

this is a GOP strategy......... muddy the waters, make people think you can't believe anything.... suprress turnout. because they KNOW they rabid base is showing up, so they want eveyone else to stay home

It is not an easy subject.

It would seem to be easy. There are facts and there are baseless claims.

When you have a station like Fox News with commentary and news men and News men take the back seat and then are forced quit their job it seems like the problem is very black and white.

There is a great scene in "The Front Page" where a court renders a decision and the press corps runs to the phones to call it in.
Everyone has a different story based on the same "facts".

I used to read both the Wall St. Journal and the NY Times every day. The differences in coverage of the same story were sometimes amazing. And both were "true".

And so much is dependent on preconceived notions, which are actually not all bad.

Boasted he never voted. The both sides thing is a way to pretend his not caring is actually superior and he is above it all.

Not sure of the best way to say they have to participate or it won’t improve. Being above it all is not an answer. But maybe that feeling is so important they’d rather just have that.

There is no point in addressing these people I have experienced.

It's a shame.

That might be the most effective way of pushing back, or at least it's how I've gotten a few people to at least pause. Not in accusing tones or anything, but blithely dismissing their dismissal with "oh, that's just lazy cynicism."

Hmm, I'm not sure if that "or anything" above is accurate; the tone I took was "amused but disappointed", to add a light "c'mon, you're smarter than that" touch to the phrase.

Unfortunately, these were situations where fairly random, follow-up was not possible, so I don't know if any of that "took". I just remember how I clearly tripped up their line of thought with a perspective they just as clearly never heard nor considered before.

Or just flat out tell him he has given up his right to complain. Especially if he wants to talk politics.

Then intellectual curiosity was never your strong point to begin with.

In the same crowd.

I believe exactly zero news source is 100% telling us the straight. If a person follows one source only as 100%fact, they are setting themselves up for let down imho.

The word media is pretty telling. If you take apart your air filter in your car and pull it apart, you are left with the paper. It's called media. It filters what the engine can see. Media is just another name for filter. That's exactly what these people are doing and it's all drivin by money. None of these people care about these issues.
I don't see it as a RW talking point unless he was saying only CNN MSNBC and Lw media are fake.
Trusting anything verbatim coming from these glowing rectangles without sourcing multiple points of view isn't going to get to the truth. Its going to get you exactly where they want you. As a good little sheep.

You will always find what you look for if you look hard enough and want a particular outcome.

I'll wait here.

There has to be an equivalent to anyone on either side?

I have no problem watching RM then turning it over to tucker and then getting on youtube to watch the hearing that both of them were talking about and extrapolating the info I need to see what might be going on sans the spin from paid political pundits.

I'm saying following one source might be the problem. Not one in particular but JUST one.

Cutting yourself off from the opposite point of view
And not allowing new information help form an opinion that may be slightly different than what you want to believe is a problem. Im suggesting we stay open to the possibility that we can be wrong. It's the most honest position.

That's the problem with the ideology of the fundamental religious. They are right and nothing anyone says or proves will change it. Think about science. These well educated people allow long held information that was considered fact for centuries to be upended on the discovery of new better information.
I'm suggesting to Know your enemy. Not that any one particular media agent is bad. It's that none of them are 100% facts.

See I don't think you can used Tucker Carlson as the opposite of a Rachel Maddow. Tucker Carlson is a bigot who uses the airwaves to spew right-wing talk points.

Rachel Maddow is way more fact based. She is a heck of a lot brighter and more inquisitive. That doesn't mean she doesn't make mistakes occasionally but ninety-nine times out of 100 she is not mistaken.

But I didn't use anyone as an equal to anyone else.

Since you said it though , and RM is 90% right, then how much is tucker wrong? If its 90% then use that 10% of the correct info and put it to use. It's not hard to ignore the RW talking points and let him be a bigot.
I do it all the time and I'm not brainwashed.
If i see any news headline that includes "what you NEED to know " I feel a spidey sense. It sounds a lot like they are wanting you to know only certain aspects of a story. Why would anyone say that, rather than saying "here's everything , put it together yourself" unless it was weighted. Idk I am new here and I have been a Democrat my entire life. But for the life of me I don't think I belong here.

clearly a faux knews fuck head
looks like these fools are afraid to admit they support(ed) dump
but the indoctrination runs deep so beware

I have a cousin that I watch post on Facebook... He posts two types of memes.

One is all about how AOC, Bernie, Hillary, and Democrats in general are stupid, they suck, they're idiots, they're ruining the country, he'll never vote for one, etc... y'now, the typical RW BS.

The other memes are wondering why we don't have "free" healthcare, all kids should get free lunch at school, legalize pot, higher minimum wage, and pretty much every single other Democrat policy.

I am trying to educate him on what he's doing, but it's like banging my head on a brick wall...

They voted for Trump, but now have taken the huge step to say they hate him. The next step is why? But, they can’t say why, because it would conflict with their long held beliefs and prejudices.

They would have to admit that just about everything the know and believe, their very essence, is built on fallacy and deception and error.

They need to be told, it’s OK to change, it’s OK to go a different direction. Take your time and think about it.

I like to tell Trumpers, “Look, the guy is not like us. He doesn’t know what bills are. He doesn’t have a car payment”.

Say they are not political - but really bash all the Dem candidates.

I never asked him what party he was a member of.

I guess it's pretty obvious.

He distrusts Trump because of what Trump actually says and does. He distrusts the media because he see third party reports and opinion as biased.

Starts with "I don't watch Fox News" and follows with a stream of RW talking points.

Yeah, well, reality has a noted liberal bias.

they actually know what they're talking about. And that they're somehow above it all.

That is all.

They are coached on perpetuating their dichotomy on right wing radio and it spreads throughout their social networks. It is more designed to convince you that they don't care and that voting is hopeless. They will still be voting republican themselves. They will often tell you that trump is dirty because he has a dirty job to do. We should be more concentrated on the almost !00 million registered voters that do not vote.

At my nephew's wedding he (father of the groom) started telling me conspiracy theories about Hillary. WTF? It's hard for me to be with him much anymore, outside of family events where we are supposed to make nice. He lives in Minnesota and likes Amy Klobuchar, and his representative is Ilhan Omar, who he also seems to like, but somehow old conspiracy theories take hold.

navigating their own lives to delve all that deeply into politics. The political discourse sort of floats over their heads like the clouds passing by. They notice, but it doesn't really impact anything relevent to them (yes, I know it does). Occassionally the clouds decend and cause annouing fog they have to deal with on the daily commute and they pay attention, but as soon as the fog lifts, it's back to being mostly irrelevent.

Any bigotry. These political passive aggressiveness seem receptive to that

But passes Fox and other right wing memes, talking points, and wack xtian memes. So it is hard to tell. After this last election started up with Dump stuff. So I think she is ignorant, and easily led. Just how the Christo-Fascists like them.

a local college. A friend said "Do you know what I like about Cheney? His voice is so calming and restful" I had to bite my tongue to stop myself from saying "You know what I like about Cheney? Not a damn thing" Son of a bitch robbed a young family man, to get his heart transplant that should have gone to him. He is an evil, soulless person. Rotten to the very core.

but embarrassed to admit it.

Both Parties are NOT the same.

If one’s worldview is exclusively shaped by Fox “News,” it leads only to xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny, and hatred of the “other.”

Fox is the most destructive force in American politics.

They will NEVER vote for a democrat, so the best we can do is ask them to leave the "President" bubble blank.

I ask that person to tell me about one story they heard on the news today that was completely fake, intentionally made up, and never happened. No one has ever given me an answer.

My freind does not seem to see the facts republicans are doing very evil shit and the Democrats are against this coup of assholes she keeps going back to both sideism
And seems to not realize republicans tell lies and Fox news is a propaganda outfit. She has a stubborn attraction to the right wing she has lost her way and is uncurious.

Only an entertainment source that is not fair or balanced.

Tell your coworker to just look at who created Fox News and why, along with comparing all network's Supreme Court Decisions.

News doesn't need sex, gimmicks, graphics, repetitive slogans always repeated, or shouting to simply show the REAL News. Those that are susceptible to fake news are those who would rather watch entertaining news that gets them to feel a certain way.

It's been a drive to suppress the vote that has been going on for over a century. Keeping people from the polls will always help Republicans.

Is in the future try to talk to him about issues he might care about and don't involve politics, parties or names etc. He might just discover on his own that he's a liberal. One can hope, dont let this get you down, there are a lot of lost americans.

parties that I believe is not supported by the facts. Too many people are parroting the "both sides do it," all politicians are crooked," the media is all fake news" bullshit that depresses voter turnout, equates Democrats with Republicans, and increases distrust of government. Democrats have a positive message that good government solves problems and helps level the playing field for all by defending fair and equitable rules and regulations. We've got to emphasize that.

One feels the tail and thinks that the elephant is like a vine. One feels the trunk and thinks the elephant is like a snake. One feels the ear and thinks the elephant is like a leaf. One feels the leg and thinks the elephant is like a tree.

The clear moral of the story is that one needs to consider the whole elephant and that each man was right and yet wrong in their own way. The more subtle message that can be inferred is that the guy holding the tail was the most incorrect in his assessment while the guy who felt the breadth of the elephant's leg came closest to sensing the elephant's great size and strength.

Mind you, I only understand this because I have seen a whole elephant.