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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts) Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:30 AM Oct 2019

Gen McCaffrey: "Vital we withdraw nuclear weapons from Turkey."

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Barry R McCaffrey ✔ @mccaffreyr3

Vital we withdraw nuclear weapons from Turkey. NATO should administratively cut links to their armed forces. Erdogan an authoritarian threat to his own people and his NATO allies.

Richard N. Haass ✔ @RichardHaass

Long overdue to give up fiction that Erdogan’s Turkey is an ally in practice. US should withdraw all nuclear weapons, reduce reliance on Turkey’s bases, and restrict intelligence sharing and arms sales. Should also articulate red lines in Syria.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/10/12/us-forces-say-turkey-was-deliberately-bracketing-american-forces-with-artillery-fire-syria/ …

11:10 AM - Oct 13, 2019

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Gen McCaffrey: "Vital we withdraw nuclear weapons from Turkey." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP

Turkey is Trump's model Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #1

Withdrawing from Turkey is what Putin wants sharedvalues Oct 2019 #21

Yes! MaryMagdaline Oct 2019 #2

Why do we even have nuclear weapons in Turkey? hmanne Oct 2019 #3

Back in the day, Turkey was an important outpost against the USSR... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #5

Thanks. hmanne Oct 2019 #6

In fact US removed atomic missiles from Turkey as part of deal to resolve Cuban Crisis. Sneederbunk Oct 2019 #7

Those were the Jupiter IRBM missiles if I remember correctly. hmanne Oct 2019 #8

Our nukes are stored in Turkey, at Incirlik Air Base - 70 miles from the Syrian border Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #11

Yeah, I knew we had nukes at Incirlik when I was stationed there, hmanne Oct 2019 #12

Shit - IF Turkey gets ahold of them packman Oct 2019 #15

Genocide against the Greeks too. 500-900K Greeks slaughtered. Lucky Luciano Oct 2019 #22

Putin for the win. C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #4

Again. triron Oct 2019 #9

Yes. I said this a couple of days ago. roamer65 Oct 2019 #10

My First Thought On Reading This: Collimator Oct 2019 #13

My first thought: remove the nuclear codes from Trump grantcart Oct 2019 #14

Yes, primarily tactical nukes. roamer65 Oct 2019 #18

Kick Turkey out of NATO. dalton99a Oct 2019 #16

Time to cut the cord with those Turkeys. patphil Oct 2019 #17

Yes, or risk Putin's asset doing even more damage to this country. nt PatrickforO Oct 2019 #19

Thus guy doesn't have my great and brilliant military mind Glamrock Oct 2019 #20

This is a fine mess. Thank you NOT: Sen. Moscow Mitch and KGOP. nt NCjack Oct 2019 #23

Last I Heard Erdogan Is Coming To The White House Next Month DallasNE Oct 2019 #24

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)

1. Turkey is Trump's model

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:32 AM

Oct 2019

He 100% wants to turn the US’s democracy into Turkey’s. One where the leader has imprisoned hundreds of thousands who oppose him.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)

21. Withdrawing from Turkey is what Putin wants

Reply to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:52 PM

Oct 2019

Putin wants to split Turkey from NATO.

Strange how all these actions by Trump are leading to things that Putin wants.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)

2. Yes!

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:33 AM

Oct 2019

hmanne

(92 posts)

3. Why do we even have nuclear weapons in Turkey?

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:36 AM

Oct 2019

Aren't our ICBM's, and SLBM's enough?

Why should we have those weapons on foreign soil anyway?

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)

5. Back in the day, Turkey was an important outpost against the USSR...

Reply to hmanne (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:44 AM

Oct 2019

Now, it has flipped to being an asset for Putin's New Russian Empire.

hmanne

(92 posts)

6. Thanks.

Reply to Wounded Bear (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:49 AM

Oct 2019

That being said, we shouldn't have nukes on foreign soil, too much risk of them being hijacked, our ICBM's and SLBM's are more than sufficient to counter any threat while remaining on US soil.

If it were up to me, and I could wave a magic wand, each and every nuke on this planet would disappear along with the knowledge to create them.

Sneederbunk

(14,291 posts)

7. In fact US removed atomic missiles from Turkey as part of deal to resolve Cuban Crisis.

Reply to Wounded Bear (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:50 AM

Oct 2019

hmanne

(92 posts)

8. Those were the Jupiter IRBM missiles if I remember correctly.

Reply to Sneederbunk (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:52 AM

Oct 2019

Were they ever replaced?

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)

11. Our nukes are stored in Turkey, at Incirlik Air Base - 70 miles from the Syrian border

Reply to hmanne (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:23 PM

Oct 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incirlik_Air_Base#Nuclear_Warhead_Analysis

Nuclear Warhead Analysis
Laicie Heeley, a fellow with the Budgeting for Foreign Affairs and Defense program at the Stimson Center said in 2016:

From a security point of view, it’s a roll of the dice to continue to have approximately 50 of America’s nuclear weapons stationed at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, just 70 miles from the Syrian border. These weapons have zero utility on the European battlefield and today are more of a liability than asset to our NATO allies.

hmanne

(92 posts)

12. Yeah, I knew we had nukes at Incirlik when I was stationed there,

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:26 PM

Oct 2019

it was more of a rhetorical question, but thanks for the info anyway.

packman

(16,296 posts)

15. Shit - IF Turkey gets ahold of them

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:33 PM

Oct 2019

I know there are codes and safeguards to their use, but that is still a tempting target to a country that was once part of the Ottoman Empire that engaged in genocide in regard to the Armenians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide