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Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:55 PM Oct 2019

Need to change Constitution - Executive Power

When the US Constitution was written, who could ever have imagined how much power would eventually be placed in the branch of the Executive. trump gets to cause and facilitate a genocide, in Syria, without any advice from anyone? Putting our own men and women in our military in danger? Unbelievable

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Need to change Constitution - Executive Power (Original Post) Miigwech Oct 2019 OP
In what ways would you change it? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #1
Good question Miigwech Oct 2019 #8
Some of those things, though not all of them, can be done by statute. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #10
It was "executive power" that put them in Syria in the first place. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2019 #2
Yeah, I'm flabbergasted too. FirstLight Oct 2019 #3
I think we need an amendment to eliminate Presidential pardons. dawg Oct 2019 #4
Lots of people seem to be proposing changes to the Constitution. MineralMan Oct 2019 #5
Not a Constitutional issue so much as a Congressional abdication of authority. Midnight Writer Oct 2019 #6
This is true LittleBunny Oct 2019 #7
That is exactly why we need a Constitutional change Miigwech Oct 2019 #9
 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
8. Good question
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:36 PM
Oct 2019

#1 - Return War Powers to the House (not really a change but reboot)
#2 - ALL TREATIES can not be decided by Executive Branch alone - even by Executive order - must be approved by the Senate and House
#3 -Decisions about deployment of our troops, any where, for any reason, must be shared with House of Reps to approve (since we no longer have a Draft)
#4 - The Justice Dept must not be controlled by Executive but, be controlled by all three branches of our Government
#5 - Supreme Court can no longer have life time jobs - 12 years max

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
10. Some of those things, though not all of them, can be done by statute.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:55 PM
Oct 2019

The Justice Department doesn't even exist in the Constitution - the federal agencies came much later and were created by Congress. The only mention of an executive branch "cabinet" is in Article II, Sec. 2, clause 1: "The President ... may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices...." The Constitution does not require a formal Cabinet but authorizes the president to seek advice from the principal officers of the various departments as he (or she) performs their official duties. By implication, this empowered the President to appoint cabinet secretaries who eventually became the heads of agencies. But the agencies themselves are the creations of Congress, which could amend the empowering statutes (in the case of the DoJ, the Judiciary Act of 1870) in a way that better constrains the agency and protects its operations from rogue attorneys general.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
3. Yeah, I'm flabbergasted too.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:05 PM
Oct 2019

I also don't think he should be able to send troops to SA without some kind of sign-off...doesn't the Pentagon have some advisory role at all? geez, it's like we're dealing with someone who doesn't understand or care about the nuances of these issues and the danger to other humans, or the global ramifications of ...oh, ya... well then.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
4. I think we need an amendment to eliminate Presidential pardons.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oct 2019

When a President can pardon underlings for illegalities done on his behalf, it opens the door to tyranny.

I know there have been instances where pardons have been employed in a merciful and positive way, but the potential for abuse is just too great.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Lots of people seem to be proposing changes to the Constitution.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:10 PM
Oct 2019

You do realize how amendments to the Constitution happen, right? There are some very crucial steps needed before any such amendments could happen, though. First, Democrats would have to have supermajorities in both Houses of Congress. Then, enough states to ratify any amendment would have to have legislatures that would do so.

We're a long way from having those things, really. So, I suggest you find a way to make those requirements happen, and that's going to take a helluva lot of GOTV work. Are you ready to get started on doing that? I can help you sign up in your local area. Just let me know where you live, and I'll give you contact information for the Democratic Party organization near you.

Then, you can plan to put in at least 10 hours per week from now until the November election in 2020, getting out the vote, registering new voters, and doing other work with winning elections as our goal.

Are you ready to get to work?

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
6. Not a Constitutional issue so much as a Congressional abdication of authority.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:10 PM
Oct 2019

We are still running on the Iraq Use of Force resolution from 2003. Republicans have blocked any changes.

 

LittleBunny

(22 posts)
7. This is true
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

Congress could easily reclaim the war powers they gave away and decide when and where troops get used. They're just too scared of being held accountable for their decisions. And I'm talking about both parties here.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
9. That is exactly why we need a Constitutional change
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:49 PM
Oct 2019

They need to be forced to share the authority and repercussions

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