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America's troops are pissed off.. (Original Post) pbmus Oct 2019 OP
Thank You! Cha Oct 2019 #1
Trump is dangerously weak. liberalmuse Oct 2019 #2
That's the bottom line. underpants Oct 2019 #10
Plus his empty threats to destroy Turkish economy leave our enemies laughing at any threats he makes Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #25
Get the bench warrant for mass murder and bring several sets of handcuffs. Ford_Prefect Oct 2019 #41
Stephen Miller bdamomma Oct 2019 #72
another motive joost5 Oct 2019 #46
It's about money. Trumpy has a lot of business in Turkey. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #51
It's abhorrent, utterly evil what Dump has done to the Kurds. roamer65 Oct 2019 #3
Trump and Erdogan should both be charged with war crimes for this. Initech Oct 2019 #4
Agree leftieNanner Oct 2019 #5
Whatever punished him the most. In THIS life. calimary Oct 2019 #40
I agree that we need to make a serious example of him leftieNanner Oct 2019 #63
No former US president will ever appear before the Hague. Its wishful thinking for trump oldsoftie Oct 2019 #62
He may be the first bdamomma Oct 2019 #74
+1 2naSalit Oct 2019 #6
Agreed kyburbonkid Oct 2019 #22
I hope our so called bdamomma Oct 2019 #73
That's some kind of rig they have on that truck underpants Oct 2019 #7
20mm? Adsos Letter Oct 2019 #19
Good guess. underpants Oct 2019 #27
I was an FO for a 155mm battery in one of the 2ACR squadrons. Adsos Letter Oct 2019 #31
Asked some gun friends on Facebook. Soviet anti aircraft ZU 23-2. 23MM. underpants Oct 2019 #45
The republican retreat in Syria is shameful Salviati Oct 2019 #8
I'm old enough to remember Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #34
Remember to thank the GOP-they did this to America dlk Oct 2019 #9
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!! pangaia Oct 2019 #11
The name of this bdamomma Oct 2019 #75
Anybody currently serving who reads this Rural_Progressive Oct 2019 #12
Dang good point. nt Duppers Oct 2019 #38
He's been doing the same thing to the USA since Jan 2017... pangaia Oct 2019 #13
Remember how the Republicans were so pissed off doc03 Oct 2019 #14
Troops like him qazplm135 Oct 2019 #15
"Tough" is all talk. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #35
He has his marching orders from Putin. Augiedog Oct 2019 #16
Marching orders keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #21
He wants to play bdamomma Oct 2019 #76
Cut and Run! SCVDem Oct 2019 #17
So freaking happy I retired in 2011 after 24 years. djacq Oct 2019 #18
NO!!!! MyOwnPeace Oct 2019 #33
Good, because when he's impeached, Trump is likely to begin issuing illegal orders. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #20
Smooth move Republicans... It's all on you again... kyburbonkid Oct 2019 #23
no NATO bdamomma Oct 2019 #77
He is handling this situation like every other thing he has directed. Grammy23 Oct 2019 #24
Erratic. Ignorant. Uninformed. Uninterested and Incoherent stopdiggin Oct 2019 #37
Douchebag has to lose some military and veteran support over this atrocity IronLionZion Oct 2019 #26
Only SHITLER could manage to lose military for the Repukes!1 UTUSN Oct 2019 #28
I really wish I could say I'm surprised but Phoenix61 Oct 2019 #29
Yeah, I would be pissed too. grumpyduck Oct 2019 #30
His commercials talk about hoe he is so "tough" and we need him in the WH. world wide wally Oct 2019 #32
He should thank Russia and gop/trump rockfordfile Oct 2019 #36
Their commander-in-chief is Putin's little whore dalton99a Oct 2019 #39
It's about fucking time. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #42
Of course like the farmers, the troops who voted for Orange shitler can go fuck themselves! Crowman2009 Oct 2019 #43
The only people with "blood on their hands" whathehell Oct 2019 #44
I can't agree with that. The truth about Trump was there for any who wanted to see it. LisaM Oct 2019 #47
Well, I can't agree with you... whathehell Oct 2019 #50
I don't think I said anything over the top. LisaM Oct 2019 #52
You defended the over the top accusation whathehell Oct 2019 #54
No, you misunderstood me. What I disagreed with was that they didn't see this coming. LisaM Oct 2019 #59
No, I didn't.. whathehell Oct 2019 #61
Trump couldn't have been any clearer. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #66
Then why has it taken his own Party by surprise? whathehell Oct 2019 #70
Repigs bdamomma Oct 2019 #78
They're horrible.. whathehell Oct 2019 #79
Hillary 'Nostradamus' Clinton ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #67
Wow. LisaM Oct 2019 #68
they couldn't see for all the clouds and shadows of emailz Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #69
I was only following orders. SCVDem Oct 2019 #48
The piss poor handling of this situation is going to be something Sapient Donkey Oct 2019 #49
Our military are "pissed off"... Hulk Oct 2019 #53
Speak for yourself.. whathehell Oct 2019 #55
I am speaking for myself.... Hulk Oct 2019 #57
No you're not -- You're insulting the entire nation, whathehell Oct 2019 #60
You would know "simple minded".. Hulk Oct 2019 #64
Lol.. whathehell Oct 2019 #65
Red Don or Red Dawn? EgullIsCU Oct 2019 #56
Not to far from the truth...I enjoyed your sarcasm and pbmus Oct 2019 #58
Our troops bdamomma Oct 2019 #71

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
2. Trump is dangerously weak.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:08 PM
Oct 2019

He's a sniveling groveler to everyone. It's sickening how much damage a weak, gutless, soulless person can do in a position of power. He needs to be forcibly removed from office ASAP.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
10. That's the bottom line.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:30 PM
Oct 2019

He clearly is in it for the money, bows to Putin, has his daughter on phone calls with ultraviolent dictators, and regularly pump fakes. He's a mess and inconsistent as hell.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
41. Get the bench warrant for mass murder and bring several sets of handcuffs.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 07:25 AM
Oct 2019

Steven Miller is all over this one.

joost5

(421 posts)
46. another motive
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:50 AM
Oct 2019

would be helping his co-conspirator Eric Prince (Betsy "Cruella" DeVos' brother) get rich.

Imagine being the family of US service members and hearing the Commander-in-Chief basically describe the American military as a mercenary army hired by countries like Saudi Arabia who are “paying” us to go protect them




Erik Prince is on Fox, explaining that the best solution for Syria is for the U.S. to pull out all its troops, and then for the Kurds to hire private security contractors to come in and protect them.




Under Trump, and the guidance of his associate Erik Prince, our military is turning into a Pay-for-Rent Mercenaries group. And he’s profiting from it! This alone, is the most unconstitutional and traitorous thing a living American President has even done!

This was the plan all along. The grift is astounding.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
51. It's about money. Trumpy has a lot of business in Turkey.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:08 PM
Oct 2019

Likely, Erdogan told him that his properties could suffer from terrorist attacks if Erdogan doesn't make sure that they are well protected. Get it? The last thing Trumpy wants is getting his properties bombed or attacked by terrorists. I'm surprised that, by now, every Trumpy property abroad hasn't been the target of terrorist attacks. Trumpy must be paying a lot of money for protection. OR... have you noticed that Russia has never gotten attacked by al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any other terrorist organization? Should we begin to suspect that Putin is funding them? THAT would be the disclosure of the decade, but the journalists who COULD expose that small notation in any possible news cycle would be on more than one tyrant's hit list.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
3. It's abhorrent, utterly evil what Dump has done to the Kurds.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:11 PM
Oct 2019

The blowback is already beginning.

Middle East War.

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
5. Agree
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:20 PM
Oct 2019

This just gave me an interesting thought. I believe it would be appropriate but dangerous for the Democrats to pursue The Orange One for his crimes after he is tossed out of OUR White House. Future Republican administrations (because, sadly, there will be some) will make an effort to do the same to any Democrats.

What if we let the world court decide his crimes. Send him to The Hague and hold him accountable for the atrocities happening in Syria. Let him face his failures on the world stage.

calimary

(81,320 posts)
40. Whatever punished him the most. In THIS life.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:35 AM
Oct 2019

I suspect he’ll pay in the afterlife.

But I want to see payment exacted in THIS life. I want an example made of him as a cautionary tale now and in the future for other self-absorbed deceitful cowardly blowhard bullying wannabes who think they’re entitled to be king.

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
63. I agree that we need to make a serious example of him
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 05:00 PM
Oct 2019

Or "next time" it will be someone much smarter who will actually succeed at becoming Emperor. And we need to codify so many of the norms that The Orange One has blown through. Once we are past this (tomorrow would be nice), we need to ensure that this never happens again.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
27. Good guess.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:40 PM
Oct 2019

I fired a 25mm from a Bradley in the Cav but that's really heavy. Needs a lot of structure. A 50 cal, I would think, could be fired from a pickup support and maybe a 20mm.

I don't know.

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50



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Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
31. I was an FO for a 155mm battery in one of the 2ACR squadrons.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019

Back in the day before the regiment combined its artillery support into a separate Fires squadron each squadron had its own 155mm battery for support (M109A1s).

But it’s been 44 years since I ETS’d, and my weapons identification is a bit rusty...

Thanks for responding.

Edit: thanks also for the photos. It looks too big to be a .50 cal., or the equivalent DSHK. I’ll guess somewhere in the 20mm range, perhaps a Soviet design.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
8. The republican retreat in Syria is shameful
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:28 PM
Oct 2019

We should not be betraying our best allies in fighting ISIS there.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
9. Remember to thank the GOP-they did this to America
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:29 PM
Oct 2019

For every hideous and horrible thing Trump says and does, keep in mind who knowingly and willingly gave America this monster.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:32 PM
Oct 2019

REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!

pass it on

Pass it AROUND THE WORLD.

This is on REPUBLICANS in AMERICA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not me.... not Democrats..
REPUBLICANS !!!!!!!!

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
75. The name of this
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:41 PM
Oct 2019

coward will be spoken all over the world, and the Europeans will kick ass/or our ass.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
12. Anybody currently serving who reads this
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:33 PM
Oct 2019

consider if he's able to do this to our allies what makes you think he won't do something similar to you if he is pressured by a foreign government that has compromising information about him

doc03

(35,346 posts)
14. Remember how the Republicans were so pissed off
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:34 PM
Oct 2019

after Obama drew a line in the sand if Asaud used chemical weapons. They are not only letting it happen now they cut and ran. SAD. A couple Trumpsters I know don't give a damn Trump did it so it is ok.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
35. "Tough" is all talk.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 08:13 PM
Oct 2019

Bullshit runs the marathon.

He's a fucking coward. He'd shit himself if ever physically challenged.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
76. He wants to play
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:44 PM
Oct 2019

with the big boys, hmmm......they may throw him under the bus. Putin got him by the balls.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
17. Cut and Run!
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:40 PM
Oct 2019

Helluva foreign policy you have there, baby killer!

We were called that, but trump really is!

djacq

(1,634 posts)
18. So freaking happy I retired in 2011 after 24 years.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:43 PM
Oct 2019

How can you serve your country being led by a "would be" dictator?

Should be a mass Exodus.

MyOwnPeace

(16,928 posts)
33. NO!!!!
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 07:26 PM
Oct 2019

The "mass Exodus" is what he wants.
The same thing is happening with Repugs in congress who can't stomach him anymore.
It has also happened in the State Department, where great members with years of non-political, dedicated service to the United States have been pushed out so as to strengthen IQ45's hold on the department.

NO!!!

It is time to stand up and fight.

Do it legally - do it ethically - do it for the greater cause.

Thank you for your service. Let's hope we have people in there now that are committed to the same principle - freedom and justice for all.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
20. Good, because when he's impeached, Trump is likely to begin issuing illegal orders.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:17 PM
Oct 2019

Particularly if the Senate looks like it will at least think about removal.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
77. no NATO
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:47 PM
Oct 2019

Putin hates NATO as much as he hated the US State Department. Putin wants them non existent.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
24. He is handling this situation like every other thing he has directed.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:26 PM
Oct 2019

And we see where that got him. His erratic, off balance way of directing things nearly always turns out terrible for himself and anyone else unfortunate enough to be in his path. Now we have the added problem of him being influenced by terrible people who have their own selfish motives for the things they want done, no matter who gets hurt. tRump has managed to get himself entangled with so many bad guys and there is no easy way out for him. He must try to serve his masters which to an old narcissist like him must truly be hell. It will get a lot worse for him before all this ends. And the whole world gets to see his epic destruction. What a time to be alive. We just thought Watergate would be the biggest historical political thing we witnessed.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
37. Erratic. Ignorant. Uninformed. Uninterested and Incoherent
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 12:33 AM
Oct 2019

Glad you used the term "erratic". That's the thing -- Trump doesn't DO plans or planning. He just goes out and does sh*t. And then has other people come along behind him to sweep up the mess -- and try to spin how this is part of some plan or agenda. There IS NO F*CKING PLAN.

(Look -- he can't even sell this sh*t to his own toadies. Nobody knows what he's doing. Including Trump.)

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
26. Douchebag has to lose some military and veteran support over this atrocity
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:37 PM
Oct 2019

A lot of American soldiers would have empathy and respect for the Kurds and know this is wrong.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
29. I really wish I could say I'm surprised but
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:44 PM
Oct 2019

I’m not. Malignant narcissists don’t give three shits for anyone but themselves. He will spin it that it’s actually a good thing. It made the Kurds get along with everyone.

grumpyduck

(6,240 posts)
30. Yeah, I would be pissed too.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:45 PM
Oct 2019

They're following orders like they have to, but it still makes them look like cowards and assholes.

Now, if some super-extra-bright military lawyer could find a way to prove that this is an illegal order, the military could tell him to fuck off and go do what they are trained to do and know is the right thing to do.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
32. His commercials talk about hoe he is so "tough" and we need him in the WH.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:54 PM
Oct 2019

There is "bullshit" and there is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT
This is the latter 100%

Crowman2009

(2,497 posts)
43. Of course like the farmers, the troops who voted for Orange shitler can go fuck themselves!
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:16 AM
Oct 2019

Hope they like having blood on their hands.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
44. The only people with "blood on their hands"
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:05 AM
Oct 2019

for the Kurd betrayl are Trump and those who enabled it.

The soldiers and farmers didn't see this coming any more than the rest of us.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
47. I can't agree with that. The truth about Trump was there for any who wanted to see it.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 01:11 PM
Oct 2019

Story after story about his chaotic business practices, his cruelty to subordinates, the way he treated his ex-wives, his bankruptcies, his ties to mobsters, his lies about events like 9-11, his collusion with the Russians, his misogyny, and his glaring lack of knowledge about foreign affairs was all there in plain sight.

I do feel sorry for farmers who are suffering, and for military members who find themselves in these untenable situations, but many of us did see this coming - including Hillary Clinton, who's beginning to sound like Nostradamus - and no one would listen, and the media buried it. But as voting groups, the military and farmers helped put him into office and all this was hugely predictable. Nobody but Trump, his cronies, and his family have ever benefited from one thing he's done. And sometimes his cronies and his family don't either.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
50. Well, I can't agree with you...
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 02:51 PM
Oct 2019

The characteristics you've listed, negative as they are, are not automatically predictive of war crimes.
We're all angry, and many, I'm sure, feel the need for a scapegoat, but I don't think these types of over the top accusations help anyone.






..

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
52. I don't think I said anything over the top.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oct 2019

I think all of the things I mentioned made it evident that this is the type of presidency he'd have.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
54. You defended the over the top accusation
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

that the Trump voting farmers and military "have blood on their hands".

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
59. No, you misunderstood me. What I disagreed with was that they didn't see this coming.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:48 PM
Oct 2019

They should have seen it coming; every indication was there.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
61. No, I didn't..
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:20 PM
Oct 2019

and, no, I don't believe they saw murderous war crimes coming..I don't believe even you "saw that coming". Have a nice day.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
66. Trump couldn't have been any clearer.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 07:06 PM
Oct 2019

This is exactly where the isolationist policies that he's been pushing - America First! - were going to lead. Abandoning our allies is part of his worldview and it was just a matter of time before something like this happened.

I agree with LisaM. This was quite predictable.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
70. Then why has it taken his own Party by surprise?
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:22 PM
Oct 2019

Sorry, no... Virtually everyone is surprised and angry.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
78. Repigs
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:57 PM
Oct 2019

will go with the ship, unless they start eating their own. They are nothing but cowards, thus here we are now. Very sad.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
48. I was only following orders.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 02:31 PM
Oct 2019

It didn't work then and won't work now!

Disobey unlawful orders!

It may as well be Americans pulling the trigger!

Shame!

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
49. The piss poor handling of this situation is going to be something
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 02:42 PM
Oct 2019

that will come back as a larger issue in the future. Whatever it may be, but the added instability in the region that this caused ensures US troops will be back there fighting the same battles that were already won. While Trump and his admin is to blame for this specific situation, this ridiculous and near-sighted approach to handling anything like this is kind of how the US rolls. Even before ISIS started getting beat back, everyone knew that once they were gone this was going to be the situation. The Trump administration had well over a year to take steps to ensure continued stability in the region even if/when we pulled out. Considering he keeps saying he ran on the promise of pulling out of places like Syria, then this should have been a huge priority. Whatever the actual solution may have been. Working to establish and official Kurdish state or working to get Syria and Kurds to integrate themselves or whatever. I don't think I heard of any efforts on their part to come up with any solution to ensure the stability of the region.

Now we have another cluster fuck in which innocent people are being slaughtered. We look assholes (again) after abandoning people who were our allies.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
53. Our military are "pissed off"...
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:13 PM
Oct 2019

And our Kurdish allies are slaughtered...the innocent Kurd civilians are raped, murdered and “collateral damage” as this loathesome lard ass coward goes golfing and distracts with his twitter account.

We truly are a nation of sick morons and hypocrites.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
57. I am speaking for myself....
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:34 PM
Oct 2019

Granted, "most of the nation" voted against the fucking idiot. And how many voted FOR the fucking idiot! Shall we pretend we are not a nation of morons. When NEARLY HALF the fucking country votes for this piece of shit, 40% of the voting adults SUPPORT this piece of shit....that pretty much says it all.

I ONLY speak for myself. I've watched this nation on the international stage since I was 18 years old and traveled outside the country for the first time. I knew we had backward, simple minded morons in the rural hills of the reddest of red states. I just had no idea there were so many.

You can pretend we are a nation of intelligent and thinking citizens. Your fantasy world will probably be more comfortable for you to accept. As for me, I know this country has racist, hypocrite KKKristians, selfish morons among us in the TENS OF MILLIONS

You speak for yourself, and I'll speak for myself. Enjoy your day.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
60. No you're not -- You're insulting the entire nation,
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 04:16 PM
Oct 2019

If you "grant" most of the country voted AGAINST Trump, what is your rationale for insulting the entire country ? Answer: None.

And no, again, you do not "only" speak for yourself when you simplemindedly insult an entire people on what was done
by a Minority -- If you want to label YOURSELF a Moronic American, knock yourself out, just leave the rest of us out of it.

P.S. If you actually were well-travelled, you'd know tha EVERY country has it's "backward morons". Enjoy your day.

EgullIsCU

(14 posts)
56. Red Don or Red Dawn?
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 03:32 PM
Oct 2019

Time to choose Republicans! Wait! What? You are taking Russian language lessons? Now we know which side you were on all along.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
71. Our troops
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:25 PM
Oct 2019

are being humiliated. And Putin wins again. Get this fucking idiot out well he started a conflict and ISIS is out. I hate this fucking POS.

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