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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:00 AM Oct 2019

Never-before-seen tax docs show Trump's businesses made themselves seem more profitable to lenders..

..and less profitable to tax officials

Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax.

For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street.

Lenders like to see a rising occupancy level as a sign of what they call “leasing momentum.” Sure enough, the company told a lender that 40 Wall Street had been 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, and then rose to 95% a few years later. The company told tax officials the building was 81% rented as of Jan. 5, 2013.


[link:https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/never-before-seen-tax-docs-show-trumps-businesses-made-themselves-seem-more-profitable-to-lenders-and-less-profitable-to-tax-officials/|]

You would think he would stop such obvious grifting when he is the bloody President!
He cannot help himself..
Oy, Corrupter in Chief...
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Never-before-seen tax docs show Trump's businesses made themselves seem more profitable to lenders.. (Original Post) Soph0571 Oct 2019 OP
One would think so, but DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #1
Then how is that getting by the assessors or county appraisals.. Historic NY Oct 2019 #4
Exactly, Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #6
What happens around my area DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #8
This will sound pendantic but it's an important legal point fescuerescue Oct 2019 #7
Close ScratchCat Oct 2019 #9
Depends on the locality fescuerescue Oct 2019 #12
Trump lied? Really?? TNNurse Oct 2019 #2
Con artist rickyhall Oct 2019 #3
fraud NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #5
K&R UTUSN Oct 2019 #10
K&R real Cannabis calm Oct 2019 #11

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
1. One would think so, but
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:09 AM
Oct 2019

I think undervaluing commercial real estate and business property is something a lot of businesses try to do in search of lower property taxes.

Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
6. Exactly,
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:55 AM
Oct 2019

They try every couple of years to overvalue my farm, so they can charge more taxes. I appeal it and win about 50% of the time.

But the accesors are not doing their job if Traitor Trump could devalue his property so easily. Why are they letting him claim such false numbers? Where is their assessment of value?

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
8. What happens around my area
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:50 AM
Oct 2019

is that businesses will appeal their assessments arguing for lower ones. They don't always win, but they try.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
7. This will sound pendantic but it's an important legal point
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:11 AM
Oct 2019

Taxing authorities determine the value independently.

The owner of course is free to contest the value hoping to persuade the government agency to lower that value. Maybe the taxing agency will be persuaded, maybe not. Regardless that tax value is a number owned by the agency, not the owner.

That value is totally independent from the value that a business or person places on their property and presents to banks, lenders and investors.

I experienced this first hand. I bought a 2 bedroom home in the midwest years ago for around $40,000. I fixed it up, lived there and overtime as it's market value increased to around $80k. At which time I went to a bank, got an equity loan based on the $80k or so.

During that time, the local agency still had the tax value at around $45k. That was -their- determination not mine. No government official ever asked me how much it was worth. Think I contested that tax bill? of course not. I happily paid the tax bill as presented.


ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
9. Close
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:58 AM
Oct 2019

To challenge the State/County assessment, the owner needs to have a State-Certified appraiser prepare the valuation and present t at the hearing. This person would be looking at a revoked license if they engaged in some chicanery. To "devalue" income-producing property, the owner overstates expenses and under-reports income. If what Trump's people reported to the appraiser didn't look legit, the appraiser should have discounted it and gone with market norms(like if Trump reports vacancy of 25% and its no greater than 15% for similar properties, etc..). What I am saying, there was likely a "conspiracy" between an appraiser and whoever hired them to devalue his property for tax purposes.

While the value for tax purposes and loan purposes are "independent", if there is a paper trail of you "inflating" income/expenses for a lender and challenging an assessment based upon different income/expenses data, a few people stand to be in hot water.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
12. Depends on the locality
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 04:00 PM
Oct 2019

There is almost 3100 taxing localities in the US. The vast majority of property is valued without the owners input at all.

It's only when owner challenges the valuation does a formal process start. Corruption is pretty rampart in NYC though. So I'm sure you are correct.

It's ashame the media didn't vet this guy.

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