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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:19 AM Oct 2019

Grieving Parents 'Ambushed' by Trump, Who Had Teen's Killer Waiting at White House

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/anne-sacoolas-grieving-parents-ambushed-by-trump-who-was-hiding-spy-wife-at-the-white-house

The president had hoped to surprise the parents of dead British teen Harry Dunn with a meeting with the woman who killed him—all in front of the media.


Barbie Latza Nadeau
Correspondent-At-Large
Updated 10.16.19 7:19AM ET / Published 10.16.19 6:27AM ET

You can almost imagine the reality show excitement that surely went into the ill-considered plan to introduce Anne Sacoolas, the American diplomatic wife who killed 19-year-old motorcyclist Harry Dunn when she drove down the wrong side of an English lane in August, to Dunn’s grieving parents. Sacoolas left the U.K. in early September under diplomatic immunity and has not been seen in public since.

The Dunn family, now in the United States to drum up support to send Sacoolas back to the U.K. to face justice, had accepted an “urgent” invitation by the White House from National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien, to visit Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. Trump, it seems, thought he could convince the Dunns to meet the woman who killed their son, and would do so by opening a side door through which she would walk. The whole scene would be captured by a pool of photographers who had been summoned for the meeting.

But the Dunns would have none of it and refused to meet her. The Dunn family spokesman Radd Seiger said that the family felt “ambushed” when the “bombshell” was dropped that Sacoolas was next door.

They had envisioned meeting her one day, but as Seiger told The Daily Beast, “only on British soil” and “only with mediators, counselors and their legal team in tow.”

In a statement on the Dunn’s Justice4Harry GoFundMe page, Seiger explained what happened. “The family had four surprises yesterday,” he wrote. “Firstly, being invited to the White House in the first place which came right out of the blue.”

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In case you hit a paywall on DB, here's a Reuters article:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-usa-crash-parents-idUSKBN1WV1BQ

OCTOBER 16, 2019 / 6:38 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
U.S. security chief 'heaped pain' on grieving parents of UK teen: lawyer


LONDON (Reuters) - Donald Trump’s national security adviser heaped pain and grief on the parents of a British teenager killed in a car crash by trying to hold a meeting at the White House between them and a U.S. diplomat’s wife who was involved, the parents’ lawyer said.


FILE PHOTO: Tim Dunn and Charlotte Charles, parents of British teen Harry Dunn who was killed in a car crash on his motorcycle, allegedly by the wife of an American diplomat, speak during a interview in the Manhattan borough of New York City, New York, U.S., October 15, 2019. REUTERS/Eduardo Munoz/File Photo

Charlotte Charles and Tim Dunn were invited to a surprise meeting with the U.S. president at his office on Wednesday where they were further shocked to learn that Anne Sacoolas, the American woman involved in the fatal crash, was in the building.

Mark Stephens, the lawyer for Charles and Dunn, said national security adviser Robert O’Brien had the idea of overseeing a coming together of the families before they would then hug in front of an assembled media.

“(O’Brien has) heaped grief and pain on the family by making them go through this but not allowing them to get the closure they need by talking to Mrs Sacoolas before they can go onto the grieving stage,” Stephens told BBC radio on Thursday.

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“He said he was sorry about Harry and then he sprung the surprise that Mrs Sacoolas was in another room in the building and whether we want to meet her there and then,” Tim Dunn said.

“We said no because as we’ve been saying from the start we want to meet Mrs Sacoolas but we want to do it in the UK so the police can interview her. We didn’t want to be sort of railroaded, not into a circus as such, but a meeting we weren’t prepared for.”

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Grieving Parents 'Ambushed' by Trump, Who Had Teen's Killer Waiting at White House (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
Let me guess. Next the Repuke right wing media will dig up that maybe Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2019 #1
Don't be silly. He's still white. nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2019 #23
What a sick thing to do. Only the Trumper would do such a thing. God how much more hateful can he be katmondoo Oct 2019 #2
What a dispicable lsewpershad Oct 2019 #37
what... did Trump think this was Jerry Springer? lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #3
He treats everything like we're all in his reality TV show. n/t Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #12
Yes, it's sick kabuki theater. gab13by13 Oct 2019 #13
But a great opportunity for a grinning thumbs-up happy snap, right? hatrack Oct 2019 #16
Ya know, I think that is a perfect description of how his ego works dixiegrrrrl Oct 2019 #79
More like Maury Povich n/t Beausoleil Oct 2019 #21
Or CBS Good Morning phandancer917 Oct 2019 #32
I was thinking the exact same thing. pamela Oct 2019 #72
Precisely malaise Oct 2019 #43
They're from the UK Retrograde Oct 2019 #65
Not sure n/t malaise Oct 2019 #67
I believe I read that they were in the US to fight to have the killer forced to go back to the UK Neema Oct 2019 #83
That's pretty much my first thought when I heard the story. Jirel Oct 2019 #55
Good Call lapdog DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #70
How ghoulish. demmiblue Oct 2019 #4
Nauseating . . . hatrack Oct 2019 #5
Sociopath has no human emotions as we understand them. Zoonart Oct 2019 #6
Those surprises never seem to go well for him. 2naSalit Oct 2019 #7
Sick JDC Oct 2019 #8
This is so disgusting it seems far-fetched DonaldsRump Oct 2019 #9
The FART of the deal. magicarpet Oct 2019 #10
Nobody thought to consider how that photo-op could have gone horribly, horribly wrong? tanyev Oct 2019 #11
I think at this point his entire staff is shell-shocked and just trying to keep the screaming infant Neema Oct 2019 #84
What kind of deranged stunt was he trying to pull?! infullview Oct 2019 #14
No doubt he was hoping for some campaign footage, out of this debacle. Siwsan Oct 2019 #15
trump was having his own 'reality' show at the white house. spanone Oct 2019 #17
+1000 DesertRat Oct 2019 #18
reminds me of that stunt he pulled in El Paso with the baby rurallib Oct 2019 #19
UNBEFUCKINGLIEVABLE. WTF?!? secondwind Oct 2019 #20
That was my reaction, too, secondwind. kag Oct 2019 #25
+1000000 (nt) IndyOp Oct 2019 #56
... catbyte Oct 2019 #22
...unlike Comet Ping Pong pizzeria GopherGal Oct 2019 #78
Kick and recommend for visibility of this evil bronxiteforever Oct 2019 #24
Doesn't he have something important to do? What a callous, thoughtless act AllyCat Oct 2019 #26
This is The Onion right? oswaldactedalone Oct 2019 #27
Like a CRUEL Onion. Not the humorous one. dchill Oct 2019 #41
Holy Cow. Just outrageous. What a bag of dicks move. yellowcanine Oct 2019 #28
There is just no bottom to SHITLER. UTUSN Oct 2019 #29
cruel for the sake of cruelty. he's not merely an *sshole, he's a sadist. unblock Oct 2019 #30
I've thought that for awhile about him shanti Oct 2019 #66
His disgusting behavior is beyond the pale. gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #31
Only a psychopath completely lacking in empathy would think this is a good idea. Please wake me up Pepsidog Oct 2019 #33
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #50
On what planet would anyone find that acceptable?? Docreed2003 Oct 2019 #34
This is amazing. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #35
How low can you go? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #36
A ghastly distraction from the IMPEACHMENT inquiry. Fritz Walter Oct 2019 #38
"before they go into grieving"??? Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #39
What the FUCK is wrong with these people!?!?!? sdfernando Oct 2019 #40
This is a joke right. kacekwl Oct 2019 #42
a surprise?! barbtries Oct 2019 #44
After his 'cameo' with the orphaned El Paso infant does this surprise anyone? pecosbob Oct 2019 #45
I didn't think it possible to go lower. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #46
No hugs for the victims? keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #77
Donnie's not a hugger GopherGal Oct 2019 #82
Trump was trying to set up a "we forgive you" moment. JohnnyRingo Oct 2019 #47
benedict donald is incapable of empathy. he's a fucking psychopath. Javaman Oct 2019 #48
We have a psychopath/sadist in the White House & so many others throughout this administration dlk Oct 2019 #49
jesus christ ansible Oct 2019 #51
It's all just reality TV to Anus Orange. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2019 #52
Trump wanted a staged reality-TV event at the expense of the parents. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #53
OMFG Kali Oct 2019 #54
What a detestable fuck he is. I hope they issue Maru Kitteh Oct 2019 #57
YES. When MF45's bottom has another lower-level basement, and below that, he has a dungeon. n/t MFGsunny Oct 2019 #59
FDT! Anon-C Oct 2019 #58
"The Trump Touch". He can turn sugar into shit in two minutes. oasis Oct 2019 #60
Trump is a festering sack of diarrhea Blue Owl Oct 2019 #61
I was going to say "festering sac of pus" GopherGal Oct 2019 #76
Many here, myself included, are at a loss for words... Blue Owl Oct 2019 #81
Would love to see the day drumph is out of office and given MarcA Oct 2019 #62
Are you fucking kidding me? When I saw the headline I thought it must be satire. Vinca Oct 2019 #63
As everyone's said. Unbelievable but real. Hortensis Oct 2019 #64
God-fucking-dammit krispos42 Oct 2019 #68
Good God almighty. --- Unfit. To. Serve. Hekate Oct 2019 #69
Yet more proof there are no adults in the White House NastyRiffraff Oct 2019 #71
Trump's message to the World: ROBOTICAN Oct 2019 #73
Trump was hoping for a reality show unveiling.... SergeStorms Oct 2019 #74
You know how derp fuhrer loves surprises. Mc Mike Oct 2019 #75
Every person in the White House is either a sociopath or a coward. RockRaven Oct 2019 #80
Another epic fail from the sociopathic administration. nt Ilsa Oct 2019 #85
Depraved, sadistic asshole. dalton99a Oct 2019 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author Akacia Oct 2019 #87

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
1. Let me guess. Next the Repuke right wing media will dig up that maybe
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:22 AM
Oct 2019

he smoked weed once. So he was "no angel". No matter how low we think these people are. They always manage to sink lower.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
3. what... did Trump think this was Jerry Springer?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:24 AM
Oct 2019

Were there a bunch of plastic chairs at the White House so they could toss them at each other?

Maybe there was a DNA test so Trump could say "Surprise, you are NOT the father of Harry Dunn!"

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
79. Ya know, I think that is a perfect description of how his ego works
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

they say sadism is part of the severe narcissim. He's like a deatheater. Truly.

phandancer917

(145 posts)
32. Or CBS Good Morning
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:55 AM
Oct 2019

When they had Cathleen Webb on to meet the man she falsely accused of Rape - Gary Dotson.

"How about a hug?" said Host Phyllis George.

They declined....

malaise

(269,065 posts)
43. Precisely
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:40 AM
Oct 2019

but why did the parents go? Don't they know enough about this monster by now?
Nothing would put me in a room with that vile cretin.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
65. They're from the UK
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:43 PM
Oct 2019

so they may not be as up on what a rotten excuse for a human being the Orange Egotist is.

I'm a bit curious, though: did Trump (i.e., the US taxpayer) pay for their trip?

Neema

(1,151 posts)
83. I believe I read that they were in the US to fight to have the killer forced to go back to the UK
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:36 PM
Oct 2019

and face prosecution. I'm guessing they were in D.C. as part of that.

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
55. That's pretty much my first thought when I heard the story.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:50 AM
Oct 2019

WHO DOES THIS?!?!?!? Even Jerry Springer or Maury Povich are cringing.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
70. Good Call lapdog
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:09 PM
Oct 2019

Jerry springer.......my first thought also.

Trailer park trash melodrama, how despicable. Slime covered Scum ball...............

What's even more despicable, (if possible) is the Republican Scum in the House and Senate that stand idly by and do not do one damn thing about THEIR asshole occupying the white house.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
5. Nauseating . . .
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:31 AM
Oct 2019

He thought he could get a smarmy photo-op by rubbing salt in the wounds of this family.

Delighted that they told him to fuck off.

Zoonart

(11,871 posts)
6. Sociopath has no human emotions as we understand them.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:35 AM
Oct 2019

In his twisted mind...everyone would see him as a peacemaker. It was to be his version of the "Beer summit".
He is a profoundly sick and and the American public still refuse to understand that fact.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
7. Those surprises never seem to go well for him.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:35 AM
Oct 2019

The last time he tried to ambush someone by inviting the press was when he met with Speaker Pelosi and Sen. Schumer where he took sole credit for that awful government shutdown.

What POS.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
9. This is so disgusting it seems far-fetched
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:42 AM
Oct 2019

However, just reading the headlines today about Syria, Ukraine, etc, this is sadly what normalcy today looks like.

I am shocked this wasn't picked up by every media outlet as a lead story. Maybe it has, but nothing on Google News.

What a gross, horrid thing to do. This fool thinks everything is a reality show.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
84. I think at this point his entire staff is shell-shocked and just trying to keep the screaming infant
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:38 PM
Oct 2019

placated so he doesn't have another meltdown. Either that or they're true believers and don't think or care about consequences.

infullview

(981 posts)
14. What kind of deranged stunt was he trying to pull?!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:00 AM
Oct 2019

What did he think he'd accomplish by doing this? Was this another attempt to bury the impeachment story with more appalling stupid shit? What a total asshole.

rurallib

(62,426 posts)
19. reminds me of that stunt he pulled in El Paso with the baby
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:22 AM
Oct 2019

made orphan by the mass murderer and the baby's aunt and uncle. What a ghoulish picture.

Guess once that one happened he thought crap like that was a great idea?

kag

(4,079 posts)
25. That was my reaction, too, secondwind.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:36 AM
Oct 2019

I truly don't understand what they think they're doing! Did someone think this was a good idea?

I'm guessing Stephen Miller or maybe Mick Mulvaney.

AllyCat

(16,193 posts)
26. Doesn't he have something important to do? What a callous, thoughtless act
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:36 AM
Oct 2019

He thinks he is a game show host.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
30. cruel for the sake of cruelty. he's not merely an *sshole, he's a sadist.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:45 AM
Oct 2019

the whole thing was conceived to get a shocked and pained reaction from grieving parents in front of the media.

he's abusing his office to just toy with ordinary people for his own gratification.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
66. I've thought that for awhile about him
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:45 PM
Oct 2019

His intentional cruelty is sadism, and it's not the first time.

gademocrat7

(10,661 posts)
31. His disgusting behavior is beyond the pale.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:50 AM
Oct 2019

The narcissistic soulless man always has to be in the spotlight.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
33. Only a psychopath completely lacking in empathy would think this is a good idea. Please wake me up
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:56 AM
Oct 2019

from this daily nightmare.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
50. +1000
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:28 AM
Oct 2019

That would be Trump. This is honestly unbelievable. I had to ask myself over and over again - "Did he really do this? Someone had to make that story up, it can't possibly be true. Nobody could be that much of an asshole!"

But it appears to be true. He can not go away soon enough. I just don't believe how low is manages to go.

Docreed2003

(16,865 posts)
34. On what planet would anyone find that acceptable??
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:59 AM
Oct 2019

I can see Trump thinking this sick shit up but has everyone else lost their damn minds in the WH? Apparently so

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
39. "before they go into grieving"???
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:21 AM
Oct 2019

What kind of hubris is operating here? What incredible cruelty! They're trying to manipulate a grieving couple into a sympathy crouch? OH, the poor, sad killer! Dunn's parents need to mind-meld with the person to took their son's life? They want to sucker the couple into hugging their son's murderer? Trumpy takes "insensitivity" into a whole new direction. Trumpy isn't even human.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
44. a surprise?!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:41 AM
Oct 2019

who in the world thought that was a good idea?

only a sociopath and carnival barker like trump would decide to make a show of it. a fucking reality show. if that doesn't prove to anyone that he is utterly bereft of empathy or compassion, they are probably more like him than not.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
77. No hugs for the victims?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:36 PM
Oct 2019

Trump/Melania using a baby orphaned by one of Trump's followers for a political photo-op.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
47. Trump was trying to set up a "we forgive you" moment.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:58 AM
Oct 2019

Then he could say "We can finally put this whole matter behind us" and sweep it under the rug with an apology. The diplomat could stay here and ignore possible charges.

Trump wanted to set up closure here while the parents want the UK police involved. Nice try.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
48. benedict donald is incapable of empathy. he's a fucking psychopath.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:11 AM
Oct 2019

to bad you can sue someone for being a colossal asshole.

dlk

(11,570 posts)
49. We have a psychopath/sadist in the White House & so many others throughout this administration
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:21 AM
Oct 2019

This is exactly how someone with no conscience behaves, with absolutely no regard, whatsoever, for intentionally inflicting pain on already traumatized parents. Thank you, GOP!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
53. Trump wanted a staged reality-TV event at the expense of the parents.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:35 AM
Oct 2019

He probably assumed there'd be this heart-warming moment when they'd hug the woman who killed their son and fled, and all would be forgiven. It's disgusting, and it's even more disgusting that Trump has people who would participate in this cynical circus act.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
57. What a detestable fuck he is. I hope they issue
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

A more scathing statement about the cruelty of his planned photo-op.

GopherGal

(2,009 posts)
76. I was going to say "festering sac of pus"
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:32 PM
Oct 2019

... great minds think alike...

I can't quite figure out how it is no one stopped this. Not one of the many people who had to be involved in getting both parties in place, as well as the press, had the compunction to put a stop to it.

In my head, I know that having a moral compass is a disqualifying characteristic for a job anywhere near this (barely) ambulatory cesspool, and, after three years, they've pretty well weeded out anyone with a scintilla of humanity who snuck through the vetting process, but... damn.

Blue Owl

(50,436 posts)
81. Many here, myself included, are at a loss for words...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:54 PM
Oct 2019

How could this country go from two terms of Obama to this shit show?

Trump cheated and stole his way to the oval office, but to let this crime go unpunished will wreak tremendous long-term havoc on this country. I want to have faith that our Democratic leadership and the handful of Republicans with sane minds will put a stop to the Trump shit show and it won't be a moment too soon...

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
62. Would love to see the day drumph is out of office and given
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:30 PM
Oct 2019

a new reality show, then when he shows up he gets arrested on stage.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
63. Are you fucking kidding me? When I saw the headline I thought it must be satire.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:37 PM
Oct 2019

But it's true. Is Don testing a new reality show? "Surprise! Meet the Murderer of Your Loved One"

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. As everyone's said. Unbelievable but real.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:40 PM
Oct 2019

Trump probably was flabbergasted himself that these people refused prime roles in this episode. President, White House, international media. Everything they could ask for.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
71. Yet more proof there are no adults in the White House
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:12 PM
Oct 2019

For the love of god can nobody step in and tell him this was a terrible (and cruel) idea? Apparently not.

ROBOTICAN

(15 posts)
73. Trump's message to the World:
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:53 PM
Oct 2019

"Hey all you Foreign Diplomats! Come on over to the USA, kill someone, then go back home under diplomatic immunity. We do it so it must be OK. In fact, we let the Saudi Prince chop up one of our journalists, and he's home right now enjoying his harum full of imported blondes!"

Sincerely,
Donald Dennison

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
74. Trump was hoping for a reality show unveiling....
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:09 PM
Oct 2019

the crying families hugging each other, forgiveness abounding, and Donald Trump taking credit for everything.

Funny how a "stable genius" can get shit like that wrong, huh?

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
80. Every person in the White House is either a sociopath or a coward.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:34 PM
Oct 2019

They either cannot imagine what other people might think or feel in any given circumstance (i.e. no empathy AT ALL) or they know goddamned well and keep their mouth shut and still show up to work every day at Sociopath Central. Fuck 'em all.

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