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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:50 PM Oct 2019

Something Strange from Mike Pompeo

I subscribe to alerts from the US State Department, even during this terrible administration. This is one of the strangest things I have read and it comes from Pompeo. It purports to be about discovering new human rights.

I'd love to get some opinions on what this means.

Unalienable Rights and U.S. Foreign Policy: The Founders’ Principles Can Help Revitalize Liberal Democracy World-wide
OP-ED

MICHAEL R. POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE
WALL STREET JOURNAL
JULY 7, 2019

America’s Founders defined unalienable rights as including “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” They designed the Constitution to protect individual dignity and freedom. A moral foreign policy should be grounded in this conception of human rights.

Yet after the Cold War ended, many human-rights advocates turned their energy to new categories of rights. These rights often sound noble and just. But when politicians and bureaucrats create new rights, they blur the distinction between unalienable rights and ad hoc rights granted by governments. Unalienable rights are by nature universal. Not everything good, or everything granted by a government, can be a universal right. Loose talk of “rights” unmoors us from the principles of liberal democracy.

That’s why I’m launching a Commission on Unalienable Rights at the State Department, chaired by Harvard Law School professor Mary Ann Glendon and populated with scholars, legal experts and activists. The commission’s mission isn’t to discover new principles but to ground our discussion of human rights in America’s founding principles.

The commission is an advisory body and won’t opine on policy. My hope is that its work will generate a serious debate about human rights that extends across party lines and national borders, similar to the debate sparked by the human-rights panel Eleanor Roosevelt convened in 1947. The Commission on Unalienable Rights will study the document that resulted from that effort, the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, along with our founding documents and other important works.

Its members will address basic questions: What are our fundamental freedoms? Why do we have them? Who or what grants these rights? How do we know if a claim of human rights is true? What happens when rights conflict? Should certain categories of rights be inextricably “linked” to other rights?

This may sound abstract, but the work is urgent. The human-rights cause once united people from disparate nations and cultures in the effort to secure fundamental freedoms and fight evils like Nazism, communism and apartheid. We have lost that focus today. Rights claims are often aimed more at rewarding interest groups and dividing humanity into subgroups.

Oppressive regimes like Iran and Cuba have taken advantage of this cacophonous call for “rights,” even pretending to be avatars of freedom. No one believed the Soviet call for collective economic and civil rights was really about freedom. But after the Cold War ended, many human-rights advocates adopted the same approach, appealing to contrived rights for political advantage.

The commission’s work could also help reorient international institutions specifically tasked to protect human rights, like the United Nations, back to their original missions. Many have embraced and even accelerated the proliferation of rights claims—and all but abandoned serious efforts to protect fundamental freedoms.

Human-rights advocacy has lost its bearings and become more of an industry than a moral compass. And “rights talk” has become a constant element of our domestic political discourse, without any serious effort to distinguish what rights mean and where they come from.

Since my teenage years as a West Point cadet, I’ve seen how special the American conception of freedom and human dignity is to the world. I studied the intersection of human rights law and warfare and confronted essential questions about human rights and how best to protect them. These central human questions about unalienable rights have profoundly affected my service as a soldier, lawyer, congressman, Central Intelligence Agency director and secretary of state.

My hope is that the Commission on Unalienable Rights will ground our understanding of human rights in a manner that will both inform and better protect essential freedoms—and underscore how central these ideas are not only to Americans, but to all of humanity.


I almost wondered if he's trying to totally invert and destroy the meaning of "rights" as has been done with so many words, including "corruption".
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Something Strange from Mike Pompeo (Original Post) milestogo Oct 2019 OP
the new buzz phrase is "natural rights", ie those granted by white jesus while all other msongs Oct 2019 #1
Your "white jesus" caught me on the funny bone, especially because I don't think there are alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #21
I think "re-definition" is because we have FirstLight Oct 2019 #2
civil rights, womens rights, gay rights... milestogo Oct 2019 #6
yep! FirstLight Oct 2019 #13
Well, think about who didn't have rights at time of the founding. And there you go. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #3
He's been on a "religious tear" lately, so my guess is this is related though carefully phrased.... hlthe2b Oct 2019 #4
I think it's something to do with Jeebus. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #5
All I got to say about this is... GReedDiamond Oct 2019 #7
"Not everything good, or everything granted by a government, can be a universal right." mia Oct 2019 #8
Pompeo is trying to wiggle out of what is coming in full force . . . Iliyah Oct 2019 #9
That's true, but this was written in July. milestogo Oct 2019 #14
This is full on evangelical bullshit Docreed2003 Oct 2019 #10
one factor... handmade34 Oct 2019 #11
Found this canetoad Oct 2019 #19
That's interesting. milestogo Oct 2019 #20
She's to the right of the pope when it comes to contraception. SharonClark Oct 2019 #30
"Now I'm a Christian..." superpatriotman Oct 2019 #12
Why don't they just shut the hell up mindem Oct 2019 #15
UH OH !!!!!!!!! This fucking asshole is dangerous !!! pangaia Oct 2019 #16
+! 2naSalit Oct 2019 #23
Curious why a US commission is needed to identify fundamental human rights... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #17
Well, apparently they don't like the human rights we have now. milestogo Oct 2019 #18
Pompeo didn't raise Khashoggi murder in meeting with Saudi king struggle4progress Oct 2019 #22
Well, Barr was maundering away about the country's 'loss of morals and religion' recently, too. Mc Mike Oct 2019 #24
Not sure, but brings this to mind: Sogo Oct 2019 #25
Looks like the work of the heritage foundation to me njhoneybadger Oct 2019 #26
Chilling Joinfortmill Oct 2019 #27
This is all b*llsh*t zaj Oct 2019 #28
He wants natural human rights as valid, putting gays, trans, etc. as outside natural and Karadeniz Oct 2019 #29
Yep. SharonClark Oct 2019 #31
The only rights individuals have are the ones granted to them by those in power. Freethinker65 Oct 2019 #32
Hasn't this news been known for a while? bobbieinok Oct 2019 #33
So, it's about gays and women again. How very Republican. NCLefty Oct 2019 #34
Pompeo's human rights approach Zambero Oct 2019 #35
Exactly. milestogo Oct 2019 #38
Too. Many. Words. KentuckyWoman Oct 2019 #36
Is this commission getting paid? Nt d_r Oct 2019 #37

msongs

(67,420 posts)
1. the new buzz phrase is "natural rights", ie those granted by white jesus while all other
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:54 PM
Oct 2019

sorts of rights are to be gotten rid of

alwaysinasnit

(5,066 posts)
21. Your "white jesus" caught me on the funny bone, especially because I don't think there are
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:15 PM
Oct 2019

many white evangelicals who admit that Jesus was born a middle-eastern Jew. (I do not say this disparagingly.)

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
2. I think "re-definition" is because we have
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:54 PM
Oct 2019

made such leaps in rights such as LGBTQ, etc...and Bernie says "Healthcare is a Human Right."

So the conservatives are getting nervous and trying to re-frame the term?



milestogo

(16,829 posts)
6. civil rights, womens rights, gay rights...
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:00 PM
Oct 2019

rights to education and health care

So conservatives want rights to hoard wealth, torture others, and commit white collar crimes with impunity...?

mia

(8,361 posts)
8. "Not everything good, or everything granted by a government, can be a universal right."
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:04 PM
Oct 2019

Looks like justification for cutting government programs.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. Pompeo is trying to wiggle out of what is coming in full force . . .
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:04 PM
Oct 2019

He is part of an investigation and he is scared. He mentioned that the Benghazi investigation was "fair" than the Ukraine Investigation. Self pity and he is using a government office as a crutch. This man is sick. Sad.

Docreed2003

(16,863 posts)
10. This is full on evangelical bullshit
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:09 PM
Oct 2019

They are going to try to suggest religious rights supplant civil rights. It's crystal clear from the wording in that statement.
Just wait.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
11. one factor...
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:11 PM
Oct 2019

Mary Ann Glendon (the chairman of the newly launched commission) ...is "pro-life and writes forcefully against the expansion of abortion rights."

this is worth looking at further...

the Declaration of Independence mentions "certain" Unalienable rights

this should be interesting and I assume not in a good way

canetoad

(17,169 posts)
19. Found this
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:07 PM
Oct 2019

...

Pompeo’s definition of “unalienable rights” draws on the ideas of a legal scholar who has staked her career on making a stark distinction between human rights and women’s rights. Mary Ann Glendon is a Harvard Law School professor, former U.S. ambassador to the Vatican and outspoken opponent of same-sex marriage and abortion. Pompeo has not just drawn on Glendon’s ideas but also appointed her as the head of the new commission. According to Glendon, “Human rights are women’s rights. … But it is not the case that whatever a particular nation state decides to call a woman’s ‘right’ is necessarily a universal human right.”

...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/08/15/how-mike-pompeos-new-commission-unalienable-rights-butchers-history/

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
20. That's interesting.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:12 PM
Oct 2019

So is she in favor of FGM?

I'll never forget hearing the debate in my college ethics class over female genital mutilation -and hearing my male professor opine that this was a matter of culture and not of rights.

Since then this issue has been reframed as a human rights issue and described as mutilation, and there has been a lot more progress made in stopping it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
16. UH OH !!!!!!!!! This fucking asshole is dangerous !!!
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:53 PM
Oct 2019

Everybody here should know exactly what this pile of shit and his pseudo xtians have in mind...







TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
17. Curious why a US commission is needed to identify fundamental human rights...
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:54 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is generally agreed to be the foundation of international human rights law.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/Declaration-of-the-Rights-of-Man-and-of-the-Citizen

Note the date-- we were quite close to France at the time, and our Bill of Rights was submitted in 1989.

Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, French Declaration des Droits de l’Homme et du Citoyen, one of the basic charters of human liberties, containing the principles that inspired the French Revolution. Its 17 articles, adopted between August 20 and August 26, 1789, by France’s National Assembly, served as the preamble to the Constitution of 1791. Similar documents served as the preamble to the Constitution of 1793 (retitled simply Declaration of the Rights of Man) and to the Constitution of 1795 (retitled Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man and the Citizen).


And there's always Amnesty International, which is one of many organizations being involved in human rights for years.





milestogo

(16,829 posts)
18. Well, apparently they don't like the human rights we have now.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:58 PM
Oct 2019

The thing is - the social liberation movements of the 20th century were a matter of making things explicit which were already implicit. Gays, women, and blacks are all human beings whose human rights were not always recognized.

More recently, human rights has been broadened to include things like health care... because its hard to imagine the pursuit of happiness without health, safety, food, and education. To some these things are obvious, to others they are controversial. Go figure.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
22. Pompeo didn't raise Khashoggi murder in meeting with Saudi king
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:23 PM
Oct 2019

Julian Borger in Washington
Mon 24 Jun 2019 12.40 EDT
Last modified on Mon 24 Jun 2019 13.45 EDT

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, did not discuss the murder of the Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi in a meeting with the Saudi king ...

Pompeo said in a tweet that he had had a “productive meeting” with King Salman “to discuss heightened tensions in the region and the need to promote maritime security in the strait of Hormuz”.

“Freedom of navigation is paramount,” he said. Asked about the slaughter and dismemberment of Khashoggi, a Saudi dissident, in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last October, an unnamed senior state department official travelling with Pompeo told Reuters news agency the subject did not come up ...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/24/saudi-arabia-khashoggi-pompeo-doesnt-raise-during-meeting

"Gosh, I really looked for it! But I just couldn't find anything in the Declaration of Independence against vivisecting journalists"

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
24. Well, Barr was maundering away about the country's 'loss of morals and religion' recently, too.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:57 PM
Oct 2019

While working for that supremely religious and holy boss of his.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
25. Not sure, but brings this to mind:
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:25 PM
Oct 2019

Can Republicans Rewrite the Constitution?

BY
BRANKO MARCETIC

A stealth right-wing campaign to call a constitutional convention is perilously close to succeeding. Its goal: repealing the twentieth century.


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/11/gop-constitutional-convention-state-legislatures-balanced-budget-amendment

Joinfortmill

(14,432 posts)
27. Chilling
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:37 PM
Oct 2019

A lot of words that say very little. But my take is a limiting of certain rights and freedoms by redefining the parameters of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Fortunately for our country, he will soon be unemployed.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
28. This is all b*llsh*t
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:46 PM
Oct 2019

All rights are invented by humans. Granted by humans. To other humans.

Sometimes we write them down in a Constitution and give them a name like inalienable. Someimes we write them down in a Bible and pretend they are from God.

It's always people agreeing on them.

Western society has started granting a marriage right to gay people. This effort to narrow this back is wrong, in my opinion. But it will work unless enough people decide to keep it.

It's entirely about what we will accept.

Karadeniz

(22,537 posts)
29. He wants natural human rights as valid, putting gays, trans, etc. as outside natural and
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:58 PM
Oct 2019

Therefore not worthy of legal protections under civil rights laws.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
32. The only rights individuals have are the ones granted to them by those in power.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 12:35 AM
Oct 2019

Get over it.

That is what these people believe and why they will lie, cheat, and murder, to stay in power.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
35. Pompeo's human rights approach
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 12:54 AM
Oct 2019

First and foremost, dehumanize those individuals and groups whose rights you intend to confiscate.

KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
36. Too. Many. Words.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:09 AM
Oct 2019

"We'll force women to give birth but once the kid pops out, fuck you. "

I shortened it.

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