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10/18/2019
Christ on a Crackpot: A Pair of Dangerous Speeches from the Attorney General and Secretary of State
Last Friday, both Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Attorney General William Barr were giving speeches before different groups in the middle of the country. Pompeo was speaking in Nashville to the American Association of Christian Counselors. Barr was speaking in South Bend, Indiana, at the Law School and the de Nicola Center for Ethics and Culture at the University of Notre Dame. Yet both approached their subjects from a similar perspective: that of the fundamentalist Christian. Separately, Barr's talk is far, far more chilling than Pompeo's. Taken togther, though, they present a vision of government as by design and, to their minds, necessity filtered through a strict, Christian interpretation of the Bible interpolated onto the secular world. The separation of church and state is non-existent in this world; in fact, a merging of Christian doctrine is seen as imperative to the continued existence of the nation and the world.
Let's put aside for a moment the obvious flaw in this line of thinking: Yes, Donald Trump is the absolute antithesis of pretty much everything that hardcore Christians are supposed to support. He's pretty much a walking advertisement for all Seven Deadly Sins, with Envy, Pride, Wrath, Greed, and Sloth on ready display, and he brags about his Lust and Gluttony. Let's put this aside because, obviously, ultra-Christians have decided that Trump is their imperfect vessel in order to achieve their social and political goals.
(Brief definition here: Don't ever mistake the word "Christian" to mean "one who follows the teachings of the biblical Christ." Some who call themselves "Christian" do, but mostly it's just a designation that means "people who hate gays and abortion and liberals and modernity and want to justify it by contorting the Bible. Also, they have a weird obsession with Jesus coming back. And guns. Also, racist." )
Pompeo's speech was certainly less offensive, although the title, "Being a Christian Leader," would indicate otherwise. There was a great deal of good ol' fashioned evangelizing, about how he learned to "walk with Christ" and how he and his "wonderful, Christian wife" always "had Christ at the center of our lives." He quoted the book of James: "Everyone should be quick to listen, and slow to speak." Of course, there's more to that quote. The full thing, which is James 1:19-20, goes "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires."
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However, William Barr was having none of the slightly conciliatory language that Pompeo used. In a speech that was honestly stunning, Barr embraced an ultra-conservative, evangelical Christian belief in the law while condemning those who would dare to believe that government should be part of the secular world. Here's how he introduced his argument: "If you rely on the coercive power of government to impose restraints, this will inevitably lead to a government that is too controlling, and you will end up with no liberty, just tyranny. On the other hand, unless you have some effective restraint, you end up with something equally dangerous licentiousness the unbridled pursuit of personal appetites at the expense of the common good. This is just another form of tyranny where the individual is enslaved by his appetites, and the possibility of any healthy community life crumbles."
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Whether mildly or brutally, these Trump administration officials are casting government in terms that could only be described as "an establishment of religion," which is specifically prohibited by that Constitution they declare is so awesome.
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Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I am taken aback by the Christo-Fascism coming in this particular way. It was rather stealth and I was expecting to emerge and take root if Pence somehow became the President.
Well, it has been brewing for a long, long time. Perhaps not enough people were aware of the organization and intent behind this? It is not like it gets that much attention in the mainstream, as in, a major threat. You could call it a plot or conspiracy, but we are so conditioned to think of those only in the terms of the vast amount of speculators out there who are pseudo-religious about their particular, biased hypothesis and resistant to fact checking.
It is my view that part of the impetus for this push is relevance. Demographically, both religion and Republicanism don't have a very big, bright future. A power grab, where a desperate minority goes all out to seize the reigns of power makes sense from that perspective. If there is going to be a passive approach to this kind of religious overthrow, then we have yet another serious problem ahead that Trump is ushering in. We have a series of perfect storms brewing.
Welcome to Gilead. Blessed be the fruit!
rurallib
(62,423 posts)taking a nosedive in popularity, their idea of how to stop the nosedive is to entrench their religion in the government. A power grab as you phrase it.
So these two speeches may be the stalking horse for the new initiative that will somehow look to make Christianity the state religion. Which form and how it will happen has probably been determined already. My suspicion is that there will be new stealth orders while Trumpy runs interference with even crazier public shenanigans.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Our democracy has been eroded in plain sight for decades while the media chuckles at the rubes.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)There is plenty of information that supports this. Gee, journalist? Investigation? I guess those days are over.
The joke is that you can just do a search online for starters and then go out in the field well armed. Some have, (and so, we have dozens of well-researched in-depth articles online already) but this is pretty much a buried or ignored issue. Considering the gravity of it, one would think it would be a bigger deal and no laughing matter.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)They are so ensconced in their bubbles of cynicism and privilege, they think the whole thing is a colossal joke.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Putting an absolute madman into the WH so he can insanely distract America from what the RWers are right now implementing and the slow destruction of democracy.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)And the fragmented GOP and the loose cannons trying to assert themselves. Its all a fucking crap shoot.
Hotler
(11,425 posts)Dominionist are not Christian in my book, more like religious nut jobs. Lots of sunshine needs to be shown on this infection.
https://truthout.org/articles/christian-dominionists-meet-at-trump-s-washington-hotel-to-answer-the-divine-call-to-war/
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)They could be called extremists and my view is that their bent is Fascist. In this case, the Fascism leads to Theocracy.
It is important that you distinguished that about this type. We are better off not painting this with a broad brush. Right-Wing Evangelicals are the primary faction that is attempting to usurp our country in the name of their religion and that is about power, control, fear, etc., not spirituality and its potential benefits.
There are many fine believers and practitioners of religions and spirituality that treat others and society in a way that is respectful and egalitarian. They live their values and practice what they believe in. We are concerned with power mongers who are using religion AND politics in an ego-driven, materialistic and detrimental way. They are projecting something inside them out on the rest of us and it is not a healthy, loving, caring and healing message and way of acting, in fact, it is like a repressed shadow or ID that they don't seem to be aware of and could be called the very evil they speak of.
That's just a point I would take in order to stay focused. You can find many Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., who not only contribute to society and bring benefits, but do not, in anyway, condone what we are seeing for an obvious and particular group and would join with us in resisting this kind of overthrow and its contradictory effect on democracy.
Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)He's trying to establish the principles of an American theocracy.
This is bad enough in and of itself, but it should be of alarming concern coming from the highest law enforcement officer in our nation.
snowybirdie
(5,229 posts)"He's pretty much a walking advertisement for all Seven Deadly Sins". Going to remember that one!
CanonRay
(14,104 posts)why should this be any different.