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DFW

(54,403 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 05:55 PM Oct 2019

A real quote from a real Republican Senator. You might want to sit down first.....

“I don’t want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the four horsemen of calumny — fear, ignorance, bigotry and smear...."

No way, you say? What Republican Senator would ever have the guts to say that out loud these days? Well, the correct answer is: none of them, of course. Not these days.

This was from Republican Senator Maragaret Chase Smith of Maine at the start of the McCarthy era in 1950.

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A real quote from a real Republican Senator. You might want to sit down first..... (Original Post) DFW Oct 2019 OP
2016 - 2019 and they are at it again in the open . . . Iliyah Oct 2019 #1
With Obama, it was them being "proud of their ignorance" DFW Oct 2019 #6
Sadly, this thought is largely dead, dormant, or otherwise mute. How far we have fallen back. Evolve Dammit Oct 2019 #2
I fear you are correct DFW Oct 2019 #4
Never thought anything like this was possible. But it has been unfolding since '16 and the fervor Evolve Dammit Oct 2019 #10
Actually it's been unfolding since Reagan mdbl Oct 2019 #12
I know it's been unfolding since Reagan; now it is culminating. Evolve Dammit Oct 2019 #15
Longer than that actually it's just cstanleytech Oct 2019 #29
I knew there was a catch. dchill Oct 2019 #3
Oh, yeah DFW Oct 2019 #5
Little known fact about Margaret Chase Smith avebury Oct 2019 #7
Wow. Thanks for this info. Duppers Oct 2019 #13
Oh my! Avebury, that is a great story and a wonderful memory for you! japple Oct 2019 #14
I saw her often for a while, but was working on the "other" side of the aisle. DFW Oct 2019 #22
Due to his job, my father had to work avebury Oct 2019 #24
Now there's a coincidence. Exactly the same story with my father! DFW Oct 2019 #28
She was my grandmother's high school basketball coach jpak Oct 2019 #26
I lived in Maine 2naSalit Oct 2019 #8
No wonder DFW Oct 2019 #30
Yup. 2naSalit Oct 2019 #31
My sister-in-law ran up against the same walls in her native country DFW Oct 2019 #33
Read this in the Times last night... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #9
"...- again confronting a crisis of conscience..." ??? calimary Oct 2019 #18
We're looking at you Susan Collins of Maine.... TeamPooka Oct 2019 #11
To have a crisis of conscience DFW Oct 2019 #23
She barely has enough braincells to keep a heartbeat RainCaster Oct 2019 #27
That's the truth! ...nt 2naSalit Oct 2019 #32
Smith was the commencement speaker at my college graduation. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2019 #16
this is now the party of limbaugh and when democrats figure that out this bunch won't have certainot Oct 2019 #17
That was then... Iggo Oct 2019 #19
There were giants in the earth in those days. soldierant Oct 2019 #20
They don't make Republicans like they used to IronLionZion Oct 2019 #21
K&R ck4829 Oct 2019 #25

DFW

(54,403 posts)
6. With Obama, it was them being "proud of their ignorance"
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019

Now, it's "proud of their arrogance"

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
2. Sadly, this thought is largely dead, dormant, or otherwise mute. How far we have fallen back.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:34 PM
Oct 2019

And it's more hate-filled than the 50's.

DFW

(54,403 posts)
4. I fear you are correct
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:44 PM
Oct 2019

The only reason there haven't been more lynchings is that the perps probably fear the bloodthirsty killing machines that so many states have become.

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
10. Never thought anything like this was possible. But it has been unfolding since '16 and the fervor
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:16 PM
Oct 2019

for liberal/ persons of color/ immigrants blood is only minimally on display. It has been enabled, encouraged, emboldened and needs to be met head on. We need a "I welcome their hatred" leader right now. 45 is insane and will not go unless forcibly removed, IMHO.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
12. Actually it's been unfolding since Reagan
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:28 PM
Oct 2019

with morons like Mush Limbaugh and Fux News. The only thing progressive about republicans is their lunacy.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
7. Little known fact about Margaret Chase Smith
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:55 PM
Oct 2019

The famous Declaration of Conscience Speech that she gave was not written by her or anyone in her office. It was actually written by another Senator who approached her and asked her if she would deliver the speech. I was told this story years ago so I don't remember which state the other Senator was from (one of the I states i think). He knew that Smith could have a greater impact delivering the speech then if he did. He told her that, if she would agree to deliver the speech, she could get all the credit for him. For the other Senator, getting that speech out to the public was more important then any personal acknowledgment that he could get from it.

A really good friend of our family was her personal Secretary for years. Years ago Jackie and her family went on a family vacation to Norway (where Jackie's mother was from) and Senator Smith and her aide invited themselves along on trip. They were told to take one suitcase and that they would be responsible for taking care of their own suitcases.

Senator Smith was a really nice lady. My Dad knew her as well and we drove up to see her one weekend and took her out to lunch. She was kind enough to give me a private tour of her Senate Library which was attached to her home.

japple

(9,831 posts)
14. Oh my! Avebury, that is a great story and a wonderful memory for you!
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:32 PM
Oct 2019

Thanks so much for sharing with us.

DFW

(54,403 posts)
22. I saw her often for a while, but was working on the "other" side of the aisle.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 04:02 AM
Oct 2019

When I was 15, I was a summer substitute Senate Page. But as my sponsor was a Democrat (Humphrey), I worked on the Democratic side of the aisle, and we never ran errands for Republicans, just as their pages never ran errands for Democrats.

So I never met her at all.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
24. Due to his job, my father had to work
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 04:57 AM
Oct 2019

with whoever was in office, no matter what their party affiliation in both the US and Canadian governments.

DFW

(54,403 posts)
28. Now there's a coincidence. Exactly the same story with my father!
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 12:58 PM
Oct 2019

He was a Washington correspondent for a newspaper in a small town on the St. Lawrence Seaway.

Because of that, he had to know all Senators, Congressmen and Governors from all Great Lakes states as well as the Canadian ambassador. He had to meet on more than one occasion with the US President and the Canadian PM. When I was very small, I sometimes would accompany him to the capitol, and I'd get to hang with, and listen to, people whose names would later become legends. As an 8 year old, all I knew was that my dad had a bunch of friends there with the same first name: "Senator." There was a Republican senator from Illinois that I used to love listening to. My dad told me the guy was known as "The Wizard of Ooze" because of the way he talked. I had no earthly idea what he was talking ABOUT, but he sure was fun to listen to.

Fun obscure fact--one time while I was living in Spain, my dad took the rest of the family down to Mexico for a brief winter vacation. There, sunning himself by the pool, was the current Canadian Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau (Justin's father). My father went up to him, said he wanted to tell him three things: that my dad was a member of the Washington press, that he had recognized Trudeau,, and that he had no intention of harassing him for an interview or other comments. Trudeau was immensely grateful, and they exchanged pleasantries.

Fast forward a few months. Some big event is going on at the St. Lawrence Seaway, and both the Canadian PM and the US President (Nixon) are attending. Nixon, who knew my dad since the 1959 Russia trip as Eisenhower's VP, thought he'd play the gracious host, and brought my dad up to Trudeau, saying, "have you met the Prime Minister of Canada?" Trudeau recognized my dad immediately, broke out into a big smile, and said that yes indeed, they had met before. His big moment of social importance having fizzled, Nixon said, "Oh," and shuffled off. Trudeau and my dad had a big laugh over that.

Later on, I had a much better idea who these people were, and what it meant to know them. The last Canadian ambassador to the USA under Clinton is still a friend.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
26. She was my grandmother's high school basketball coach
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:12 AM
Oct 2019

They kept in touch all their lives.

Sometimes she would call my home by mistake - we had some laughs over that.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
8. I lived in Maine
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:56 PM
Oct 2019

while she was in office. Some members of the family were politicians so I saw her a couple times as a child. She was certainly a "household name" back then.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
31. Yup.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
Oct 2019

I never heard anyone speak of her in a negative way. New Englanders were, more often than not, proud of their representatives in Congress and it's one of the few places of power that women were allowed back then. I know that, as a female, the expectations for my future didn't get far beyond housewife and baby maker.

I did none of those things and was something of a trailblazer in women's lib... for what I was able to do.

DFW

(54,403 posts)
33. My sister-in-law ran up against the same walls in her native country
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 05:11 PM
Oct 2019

My brother met her there while he was stationed there, and she was working as a bank teller. In her country, that was about as high as a woman could be expected to go in banking at the time. When his time there was up, she followed him back to Washington. Within five years, she was Vice-Director for the World Bank. She was in charge of the Asia desk (logical enough, as she is from Japan).

My wife and I took extra pains to instill in our two girls that there was nothing they couldn't do, and that their gender was a fact of life, not a barrier to any aspirations. They took our words to heart, luckily enough.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. Read this in the Times last night...
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 07:10 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/opinion/trump-impeachment-republicans.html

?quality=90&auto=webp

At the Peace Monument near the United States Capitol, Grief weeps on the shoulder of History.
CreditCreditDamon Winter/The New York Times

In the summer of 1950, outraged by Joseph McCarthy’s anti-Communist inquisition, Margaret Chase Smith, a Republican senator from Maine, stood to warn her party that its own behavior was threatening the integrity of the American republic. “I don’t want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the four horsemen of calumny — fear, ignorance, bigotry and smear,” she said. “I doubt if the Republican Party could — simply because I don’t believe the American people will uphold any political party that puts political exploitation above national interest. Surely, we Republicans aren’t that desperate for victory.”

Senator Smith surely knew her “Declaration of Conscience” would not carry the day. Her appeal to the better angels of her party was not made in the expectation of an immediate change; sometimes the point is just to get people to look up. In the end, four more years passed before the bulk of the Republican Party looked up and turned on Senator McCarthy — four years of public show trials and thought policing that pushed the country so hard to the right that the effects lasted decades. The problem with politicians who abuse power isn’t that they don’t get results. It’s that the results come at a high cost to the Republic — and to the reputations of those who lack the courage or wisdom to resist.

The Republican Party is again confronting a crisis of conscience, one that has been gathering force ever since Donald Trump captured the party’s nomination in 2016. Afraid of his political influence, and delighted with his largely conservative agenda, party leaders have compromised again and again, swallowing their criticisms and tacitly if not openly endorsing presidential behavior they would have excoriated in a Democrat. Compromise by compromise, Donald Trump has hammered away at what Republicans once saw as foundational virtues: decency, honesty, responsibility. He has asked them to substitute loyalty to him for their patriotism itself.


(More at link.)

The original Times article this is based on was in 1964-- The more things change, the more they stay the same...

RainCaster

(10,883 posts)
27. She barely has enough braincells to keep a heartbeat
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:53 AM
Oct 2019

Certainly nothing that could be construed as a conscience.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
16. Smith was the commencement speaker at my college graduation.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:06 PM
Oct 2019

Northwestern University, 1971. Of course, there were student protests about the choice, but they failed to sway the university.

Her speech was a full-throated defense of the war in Vietnam and Nixon. It was not well received.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
17. this is now the party of limbaugh and when democrats figure that out this bunch won't have
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:13 PM
Oct 2019

a chance

soldierant

(6,884 posts)
20. There were giants in the earth in those days.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:38 PM
Oct 2019

Of course there are giants in every era, but in that one, some were Republicans. Sigh.

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