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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:59 AM Oct 2019

"The most important document you may ever read"

https://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/the-most-important-document-you-may-ever-read

The most important document you may ever read

Senate Intelligence report on Russian interference should chill Americans who value our democracy

OPINION — On the day that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on election interference came out, cable news anchors strained to race through its 448 pages and describe the findings, all in the same breath. Computer sleuths hacked the document’s setting to let users search for “Trump,” “president,” “collusion” and “Russia.” Talking-head lawyers feverishly opined that Volume I contained less incriminating information than Volume II.

But around the country, voters mostly gave an “Is that all there is?” shoulder shrug and went back to their corners. Many members of Congress admitted they didn’t even bother to read it.

Nearly six months later, and to almost no fanfare last week while Congress was in recess, the Senate Intelligence Committee released the second of two installments of its own bipartisan investigation into roughly the same topic. The slim, 85-page report reads like a Russian spy novel crossed with a sequel to Orwell’s most dystopian version of the future — right down to an interview with a paid Russian troll who said his experience in 2016, pitting American voters against each other with social media platforms of their own making, was like being “a character in the book ‘1984’ by George Orwell — a place where you have to write that white is black and black is white.”

Unlike Mueller, who seemed to take great pains not to point fingers and softened his recommendations, the Intelligence Committee, led by Chairman Richard Burr and Vice Chairman Mark Warner, put its warnings in the starkest possible terms. First, the Russians deliberately attacked American voters with an active measures campaign in 2016 to benefit Donald Trump and destroy Hillary Clinton. On the morning after Election Day, a former troll told the committee, exhausted hackers in St. Petersburg, Russia, uncorked tiny of champagne. They looked into each other’s eyes. “We uttered almost in unison: ‘We made America great.’”

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"The most important document you may ever read" (Original Post) G_j Oct 2019 OP
My take - this doesn't get much media coverage because at its root... underpants Oct 2019 #1
++Good! Newest Reality Oct 2019 #2
To some extent you are correct Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #3
You're right - critical thinking died with home ec RainCaster Oct 2019 #6
Your could be right Kaiserguy Oct 2019 #19
"... being used by the filthy rich mobsters who call themselves capitalists." - excellent erronis Oct 2019 #9
yes Locrian Oct 2019 #15
Hit that nail on the head and buried it six feet under lettucebe Oct 2019 #10
a good take JDC Oct 2019 #14
+1 2naSalit Oct 2019 #16
Marking for later read. yardwork Oct 2019 #4
This should have 500 recs malaise Oct 2019 #5
We have never seen the Mueller Report Botany Oct 2019 #7
k&r JHB Oct 2019 #8
Now we know what they did and how they did it, how do we correct it? Pepsidog Oct 2019 #11
that's the question G_j Oct 2019 #12
Anytime a ReTHUG attempts to deny the facts re Russian involvement malaise Oct 2019 #13
+1 2naSalit Oct 2019 #17
KnR ! FailureToCommunicate Oct 2019 #18
Links to both volumes of the investigation KewlKat Oct 2019 #20
Thank you G_j Oct 2019 #21

underpants

(182,863 posts)
1. My take - this doesn't get much media coverage because at its root...
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:09 AM
Oct 2019

The whole Russian operation was based on and verified Americans gullibility and susceptibility to advertising. It's a result of decades of consumerism. We are easily manipulated especially in targeted groups. Trump basically is the Snuggie POTUS - endless (free for him) advertising sells products whether people need them or not.

Cable news can't air reports or discussions about how we are so conditioned and stupid. Their revenue depends on advertising.

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
3. To some extent you are correct
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:15 AM
Oct 2019

We are conditioned with religion, space aliens, big foot documentaries and ghost hunters to believe the unbelievable. We are taught it's ok to have faith in imaginary, fact free dogma as long as it feels good. It's ok if the psychic on tv is fooling the widow because it makes her feel better.

This is conditioning for bigger and better things. It sets up for the con of capitalism. It allows the filthy rich to feed the preconditioned with lies to sell their wares and their ideology. Capitalism is all about the con and advertisement is how they sell it.

The tiny little man Putin used it to f*ck us over. But it was there already being used by the filthy rich mobsters who call themselves capitalists.

The one thing that will inoculate people from this sort of propaganda is to tell them about it, make them aware of the manipulation and educate them. Teach them about facts and logic. It is not an accident that logic is no longer taught in schools.

Is this manipulation the fault of the people it is practised on? Are Russians stupid because that tiny little man Putin takes the wealth of their nation to live in unheard of luxury with all his sex workers and mistresses? Are Russian trolls brain damaged because they work their starving fingers to the bone while Putin hands out their nation's wealth to greedy, lazy Americans?

It's all one big con and I think the minimum wage Russian troll that works endlessly to advance their slave master's agenda are the biggest fools of all.

RainCaster

(10,908 posts)
6. You're right - critical thinking died with home ec
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:22 AM
Oct 2019

It's been decades since kids were taught to think for themselves. It was on its way out when I was schooled in the 70s.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
19. Your could be right
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:02 AM
Oct 2019

Our generation maybe the last one that was taught to use knowledge to understand facts and to think for ourselves. Sadly many of our own generation have lost that ability and prefer to base their thinking on hate and lies instead of facts and compassion.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
9. "... being used by the filthy rich mobsters who call themselves capitalists." - excellent
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:32 AM
Oct 2019

Oligarchs == Plutocrats == Capitalists == Mobsters

And they all rely on very weak oversight. And paid-for media.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
15. yes
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 12:05 PM
Oct 2019

And a lot of this couldn't have happened without the erosion in trust of a lot of our "institutions".

Capitalism and the filthy rich have infected government, media, education, science, medical, etc to the point where they blatantly lie to us all and expect us to fall in line. With the old style of information control, this worked well. But now, there is no "trusted source" anymore (was there really ever?) and we have lost our sense of being in this together.

It's everyone for him/herself - facts don't matter, trust nobody, etc. Perfect environment for the social media etc to become tools for manipulation.

Until we figure out how to work together as a group and not become prey - we will continue to be picked off one by one. We really don't have much time with climate change, etc -

One last think - AI is eventually going to change the game it the ease that we can be manipulated. If we don't' elect someone that can leverage that to work *for* us to combat it, it's going to be *used* on us.

lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
10. Hit that nail on the head and buried it six feet under
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:40 AM
Oct 2019

Absolute truth. The media is another "for profit" operation. They are going to do nothing that potentially could harm their bottom line and they sure aren't going to point out how their need for our eyeballs drives their headlines.

malaise

(269,147 posts)
13. Anytime a ReTHUG attempts to deny the facts re Russian involvement
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

Dems must cite this bipartisan report and ask ReTHUGs including MoscowMitch and Lindseyownedby the Con if they are contradicting a report from their own RETHUG led chamber of the legislature. .

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