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Slip #1: Nancy Pelosi begins impeachment investigations in the House, and some of Trump's minions are defying his orders and showing up to testify. The downward slide begins. We learn more and more about Trump's illegal acts as President on a daily basis. Polls show that a majority of the U.S. population favors impeachment and a trial in the Senate.Slip #2: In an effort to distract from the bad news on impeachment, Trump tries a classic "wag the dog" trick in Syria. He remembered that he promised to "get the troops out of the Middle East," so he listens to Vladimir Putin and Erdogan and gets the troops out of northern Syria, where they are working with the Kurds, our allies in the fight against ISIS. Since Turkey hates the Kurds, and would like to see them all dead, Erdogan sees this as permission to carry out an ethnic cleansing of northern Syria, a territory that does not belong to Turkey. Hundreds of thousands of Kurds are evacuating, but have no place to go. The news does not sit well with anyone. Trump has made a critical error in judgment. Even Republicans in Congress are horrified and are saying so in public. His downhill slide continues to pick up speed.
Slip #3: Since the Turkey/Syria/Kurd thing is not going well, Trump decides he'll announce that the G7 Summit will be held at one of his own properties in Florida. Unfortunately, this idea is received poorly by one and all, who see that he is trying to provide an economic boost to his own property and fatten his own wallet. Trump tries to bluster his way through this poor decision, but is forced to retreat, probably because someone pointed out that he could be impeached on Emoluments Clause grounds, as well. So, he pulls back from his announcement, and will probably hold the G7 at Camp David, a place he abhors. Of course, he tries to blame the media and Democrats for his decision. The slide gets steeper and faster.
Slip #4: In a classic Trumpian faux pas, Trump directly disses Nancy Pelosi in a gathering with administration officials and congressional leaders. He calls the Speaker of the House names, leading her to stand up and point at him with a sharp, intelligent retort. She then walks out on the meeting, taking her congressional delegation with her. Trump, in his idiotic lack of wisdom, posts an official White House photo of the confrontation, which Pelosi immediately makes the banner graphic for her Twitter feed. The photo gets national and even international press coverage, embarrassing Trump, since everyone agrees that Pelosi got the upper hand. Trump forgets that she is running the impeachment inquiry and oversteps his mythical authority, and the slide picks up even more speed.
Slip #5: Who knows? Trump, no doubt, feels that he must regain his composure and retake control of the situation. So, he is very likely to execute some other venture shortly. However, he is now on a steep slope with uncertain footing. A misstep could send him tumbling down the side of Mt. Disaster, head over heels, in an irrecoverable, out of control descent.
Can Trump recover? I don't think so, actually. I think the next stupid step he takes will be the last one. He could, perhaps, put an end to all of it with a sudden resignation from the presidency, but he is unlikely to do that. Instead, he'll try one last hopeless shot at putting a stop to his downhill calamity. Truly, he is not clever enough, though, to pull off such a step. More likely is a terminal mistake that ends his presidency in a spectacular and particularly disastrous way.
We can only hope...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,805 posts)The more desperate he gets, the more likely he is to do something spectacularly awful, or at least more spectacularly awful than what he's done already. That worries me.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)by the military, thus ending his presidency almost immediately through impeachment and removal. I don't think any such order would be carried out on grounds of being illegal. Our military can refuse illegal orders.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,805 posts)Cranstons concern is something that has nagged at nuclear war planners since the earliest days of the Cold War. The U.S. nuclear system is designed to respond to a commander in chiefs launch order instantaneously. Missiles would leave their silos just four minutes after the presidents verbal command. During the Cold War, there wasnt a second to waste.
That unilateral launch authority is so powerful, so unchecked, and so scary that, years before Watergate, Nixon had turned it into its own geopolitical strategy, the so-called Madman Theory, with which he threatened the Soviets and the Vietnamese that he might actually be crazy enough to nuke Hanoior Moscowif they didnt accede to his demands. The mutually assured destruction of the Cold War was predicated on the idea that the leaders of both superpowers were rational enough to avoid a war that would end with the destruction of both nations. The Madman Theory forced the world to consider a more frightening option: That the man in charge of the nukes might not be rational at all.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)meeting with Pelosi and the congressional delegation. All of them were studying their fingernails and looking down, frowning through Trump's diatribe and temper tantrum.
Now, I do not know for certain, but I suspect there are plans in place for a sudden irrational order from Trump of that kind. Trump has no idea of those plans, which were created in closed door meeting by the Chiefs of Staff of the military branches. Secretary Esper(anto) might not even be aware of them.
I don't know what the plans might be, but I am almost certain there are such plans.
Desert grandma
(804 posts)about military contingency plans. It really is astonishing that the Orange Buffoon actually thought that handing the Kurds to Turkey after a phone call with its president would be a popular move. He is irrational, impulsive, and incompetent. I remember Watergate and the feeling in the country then. We are reaching that same place. He is fast approaching his point of no return. It could not be soon enough. Every day he is in the WH he remains a potential danger to our country and the world.
Think-b4-U-act
(52 posts)in our politics. Once you start with that our democracy is finished and we really are a banana republic.
orangecrush
(19,595 posts)Saw that quite clearly.
murielm99
(30,754 posts)I think he is itching to start a nuclear war. He is too stupid to realize what this means.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)Sure hope you are right.
I would feel better if the Defense Secretary wasn't a glorified lobbyist and probable Trump stooge. In a crisis I would hope any effort of his to cater to Trump would be bypassed.
Mr.Bill
(24,312 posts)Alwaysna
(574 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)They're conflicted between loyalty and knowledge of the truth. That conflict is a very serious one for career military leaders.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)In the military, outbursts of the kind in which trumpie engaged, are usually cause for removal. High-level military people are, by nature, calm and reserved, sometimes to the point of entropy, but usually because the stakes are so high that being grounded is a necessity. I could tell from their posture that they were just disgusted with him. And not for the first time. Sadly, also, not the last time, either.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,805 posts)Chemisse
(30,814 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Still, people who rise to the highest levels in the military tend to be beyond politics. I hope
Skraxx
(2,981 posts)Should push come to shove. A man like McRaven doesn't write something like that lightly, or without real purpose.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I wish we had a President who could speak English.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)I think there's a good chance the military is braced for such an order--and their response.
ooky
(8,926 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)for such things.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Best guess is,Trump as well as Pence will be removed from Office one way or another.
What Trump does not want to admit is,the Speaker of the House is the most powerful Person in D.C.. All Spending for everything or anything has to pass her desk. And the Speaker early on said,we will give him a chance to learn his job. The other day she said,it is obvious he refuses to learn.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Nancy Pelosi is not just more experienced than Trump. She is vastly smarter than Trump. Trump hasn't a chance of disarming her.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Senator Fienstein and then Minority Leader Pelosi something too,we will have to watch and see if this President will learn how his Office should function. This was shortly after the Elections in 2016. The Facial expressions were that of doubt. And now that doubt has come home to roost.
Best guess is,the hastily organized trip to Jordan by a bipartisan delegation is a attempt to prevent the Mid East from exploding. Looking at the list of Travelers. No Gyn Jordon,or Mark Meadows,or other Tea Billy Members.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)would just be dead weight on this trip. They are not very intelligent, so why let them tag along? Besides, as soon as the plane landed in DC, they would contact tRump to report what happened in the meetings.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Trump and Pence are going to be gone.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)I have serious concerns about the delegation. It is the duty of the president to set foreign policy. Remember when a delegation of Tea Baggers and wing nuts went to the Middle East (perhaps Israel?) contrary to the wishes of President Obama. It seems to me that they also invited Crazy Yahoo to address the Congress.
Truly conflicted here.
Yes, SOMEONE needs to try to do the right thing - right now that's Speaker Pelosi and her delegation. God bless them.
Perhaps having a nut job in the White House can negate any protocol that should be in place.
And then again, it is time for SOMEONE to take a responsible leadership position for the best interests of our country - and Lord knows IQ45 ain't gonna' do it!
Why can't he be like Fred Sanford, have "the BIG ONE" - and save us all from the stress and strain of dealing with an obviously ill person running our country.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)since noon. Understand he is on a holy terror on the Twit attacking every Dem and saying zip about those Rethugs on that trip.
He is so done,now Willard the Rat Romney is hinting in a Interview,that his White Horse Prophecy is now in play.
5X
(3,972 posts)Tennessee Hillbilly
(588 posts)Well I doubt that Trump realizes that he's in a downward slide. In his delusional mind, he may still think that he's "winning".
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)He was totally unprepared for tripping over his own tie in public.
Trump is feeling something so totally new and alien to him that hes just utterly confused. He doesnt get it.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Sad...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,805 posts)something to happen and it would happen, and he's completely unused to any serious pushback.
Sucks to be you, Spanky.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)underpants
(182,861 posts)I appreciate your post....but even in numbering this it implies any sense of order or direction. Nothing is connected. There is no plan. This is flippancy to an nth degree. His staff (which is at best at the C-League level at this point) can't know what he is doing because HE doesn't know what he's doing next. He takes wild conspiracies meant for keeping the already capture, buried minds dig in deeper and uses the only frame he knows - what does this mean to ME? How does it exult me? How does it beg for my involvement, decision, and VICTORY?
He's unstable. In the private world, he thinks he's still in, the Board would have called a vote years ago. The Cabinet is the Board in this situation but .... there is soooo much Russian money infused and entangling I can't see that they do anything.
Initech
(100,096 posts)There's no rhyme or reason to anything these scumbags do. The original goal was to cause chaos, and that's all they got. They're like the Joker in the Dark Knight. They're agents of chaos.
underpants
(182,861 posts)They:
a. Serve/owe/fear Putin
b. Are such a Clustertrump it makes a cyclone seem ruly
c. Both.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)underpants
(182,861 posts)Thanks
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but his survival instincts may make him agree to take on another chief of staff to rescue him. A competent one. If that's the case, his slide may be slowed short of the brink, temporarily until The Real The Donald cuts loose again.
But first, from WaPo: "Mick Mulvaney, there may soon be a spot for you under the bus"
It's a shame the backtracking on G7/Doral came so fast. It's so simply and blatantly corrupt -- and announced in the middle of the tragedy of unleashing ISIS and endorsing "cleaning up" of the Kurdish peoples! -- that only the mentally disordered could fail to understand. Like this.
Meanwhile, never to turn our back on the highly dangerous Republican leadership, of the 240 Republicans in congress when Trump was inaugurated, almost 40% are gone or going. That includes 2 of the 13 women who aren't already gone from the Republican house caucus. In TX it's being called the Texodus. WaPo: "No wonder Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois, chairwoman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, says Texas is ground zero for Democrats attempts to strengthen their hold on the House."
nolabear
(41,990 posts)This will have repercussions for generations.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The others? I read an article that characterized children by 3 levels of native resilience, "orchids" being fragile and vulnerable to permanent traumatic damage, I think dandelions (?) for children who can take a lot and bounce back, and roses those in the middle.
The little bones that were broken when his mother threw herself on him to protect him don't seem to have been bothering him too much when he was brought back to the hospital for Trump's photo op. This picture belongs in his psychiatric file.
Hekate
(90,768 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)I wouldnt be surprised if he didnt know Iraq was in the Middle East, of course.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,134 posts)Don't gloat or even second guess. He has more lives than a litter of cats.
Onthefly
(177 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,485 posts)patphil
(6,196 posts)and Giuliani's involvement with Lev, Igor, and Dimitri Firtash.
Oh, and don't forget trying to get a visa for the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor, Victor Shokin.
Not to mention conspiring to get the Ukrainian ambassador recalled.
All of this as Trump's personal lawyer.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Gosh, I want to hope.
I just dont dare.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)But, I can do nothing else.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)DU really hasnt been an upbeat place lately lol.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I keep trying, though. I can't do anything else.
gibraltar72
(7,508 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,249 posts)In my mind only Barr, Wray, and Pompeo stand any chance of being effective in their jobs, and we know Barr and Pompeo are Trump water buffalo. You can't run the federal executive bureaucracy the way you ran real estate developments and casinos with nit-picking lawyers and informants. It's just not possible.
So yes, agree with Mineral Man, it's a downhill toboggan with too much weight to even slow the descent. Grease the skids for the slolam crescendo!
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)is good. At some point chaos and destruction are inevitable, I think.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Maybe a nice new "Hillary's email" investigation? Anyone?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)progree
(10,911 posts)Statement from the Press Secretary, Issued on: October 6, 2019
Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey by telephone. Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial Caliphate, will no longer be in the immediate area.
The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial Caliphate by the United States.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)#5 will be as stupid and very likely more horrific than #1-#4. He just loves doubling down on the last blunder as a way of claiming it was actually "Smart".
It's almost like a version of Moore's Law for stupid policy moves. Every news cycle will be twice as dumb and appalling as the previous.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)when things don't go his way. Regaining composure is just an act . Retaking or taking control is revenge motivation . If you wonder when Trump will hit bottom ,forget it, he punched a hole through the bottom a long time ago . Down hill calamity is endless fall. It will end as suddenly and unexpectedly as it began.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Trump is still the same monster he has always been. Totally devoid of reason and logic. Completely ignorant of humanity and the meaning of empathy. The man is a monster. Always has been and always will be. I contend that there is no "Acceleration"...
wnylib
(21,557 posts)feels backed into a corner with no way out. Find himself a bunker and swallow something lethal. But I doubt that very much. It's just not his style.
If his "gut instinct" tells him that he's losing control over his ability to maintain power, I believe he will accelerate his president for life dream. He will declare martial law and call upon his armed militias to enforce it. And they will. Nationally they will target leaders. Locally they will target people they know are anti Trump. Some military and police might stand with the militias. Others will not.
No foreign help for us. They will view it as an internal problem but some might unofficially support one side or the other.
I know how dire and crazy this sounds and I hope I am wrong and give you all a chance to needle me about it when he is finally gone.
But he has already said more than once thst he wants to be president for life and that his term should be extended. He has already called the impeachment inquiry a coup and accused Pelosi and Schiff of treason and high crimes. In his mind that is justification for martial law if he can get enough backing to follow through. His gang might be disorganized but they have access to foreign help.
So is it all blustering talk or will he act on it as he feels control slipping away from him?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Not criticizing. I have found I need a 4-6 day break about once a month.
There is no mechanism to declare martial law in America because of our federal system. And there is no federal law enforcement arm to enforce it.
Even in my pretty red county in Florida if some Trump nuts decided to try a rampage the sheriffs department would shoot or arrest them pronto.
There will be an election next year. Chances look good a Democrat will win it. But that is hardly certain. If he loses, Trump will rave and threaten. And it will be ignored by just about everyone.
Could there be some localized violence? Of course, this is America. But it will not change the outcome.
wnylib
(21,557 posts)There is no mechanism to declare martial law in America because of our federal system. And there is no federal law enforcement arm to enforce it.
But there is on the first point and there is on the second point. Are you assuming that posse comitatus protects us from such an event?
I really don't want to argue in favor of such a situation developing in the US because I very sincerely hope it never does. But, although there are limitations placed on a declaration of martial law and the use of federal military power, it most certainly is part of the US system. But, more likely, and more easily carried out, is the use of presidential powers of declaring a national emergency.
The ability to declare martial law is given to the president by the US constitution. Over the years, laws (e.g.the Posse Comitatus Act) and court rulings have further defined and/or limited how and when that power can be used. There are several exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act. The primary ones that would be a threat if Trump were to decide to use them would be the National Emergencies Act and the Insurrection Act. Eisenhower used the Insurrection Act to send troops to Little Rock to enforce school desegregation. I remember the event being in the news since I was a child then. In 1992, Bush Sr used the Insurrection Act to handle the riots in LA after the Rodney King verdict.
The following link will give more detailed information about how presidential powers of emergency can be invoked and enforced. It also offers a hypothetical scenario on how Trump might abuse such powers. Since the article was published in Feb/Mar of this year, it seems a bit prescient. I think both the source and the author of the article to be reliable.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/
There are other sources online - and in libraries if you mistrust Internet sources - that offer info on the constitutional article regarding martial law, the various acts passed since then regarding martial law and emergency situations.
Since Trump's impeachment inquiry is about his abuse of law, I wouldn't have much faith in him to be scrupulously law abiding in using any of the presidential powers available to him.
Regarding RW militias, an excellent book is Bring the War Home by Kathleen Belew and published by Harvard University Press. I heard her interviewed on NPR and bought the book. Initially its references to Vietnam seem removed from white supremacy militias, but she documents the connections and the dangers.
You probably are right that the election will go on as usual and that there's a good chance for a Dem to win. I sure hope you are.
Mr.Bill
(24,312 posts)Without being president, he is broke and owes a lot of money to a lot of very evil people. He will also be under indictment on a number of federal and state charges, the latter of which Pence can't pardon him from.
I think suicide is more likely. It will eventually be his only option, other than prison.
disndat
(1,887 posts)that Trump's declaration for the withdrawal of U.S. Troops from Syria was was to deflect attention away
from all the news of the House Impeachment Inquiry, sacrificing the thousands of lives, men, women, and children.
The most shocking and heinous of al his callous acts as POTUS.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)He'll actually shoot someone on 5th Avenue!
friend of m and j
(220 posts)One sentence in your analysis is spot on. You said "he is very likely to execute some other venture shortly."
He very badly needs to change the current narratives criticizing his overnight decision to pull our troops out of Syria immediately and thereby giving a green light to Turkey to slaughter thousands of our ally, the Kurds.
China's defense minister, Wei Fenghe, said on Monday says resolving 'Taiwan question' is national priority ... by force if needed, a message President Xi Jinping reiterated at the start of this year. ... No one and no force can ever stop China's full reunification.
I can visualize Trump sitting behind his desk (or maybe just using Twitter) and saying that he "had asked China to help us eliminate corruption, one of my priorities President Xi has done a magnificent job and furnished us with much valuable information. To return the favor I have told him that the US will not interfere in whatever steps he needs to take to reunify his country. I know that is one of his priorities.
Taiwan is currently occupied and ruled by a bunch of Losers who lost the civil war on the China mainland over the issue of communism in 1949. They all fled to the island of Taiwan to hide.
Communism was a bad word in the West for a long time but China under a communist rule has grown into the second strongest Power in the World with the second strongest economy (second to US). After President Xi reunifies it with China Taiwan will be able to enjoy the economic benefits that China now enjoys. By staying neutral and not defending Taiwan we will actually be helping Taiwan. They will thank us for that in the future."
** If he did that or something similar "impeachment" and "pulling our of Syria" would not be front page stories any longer.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I think the real "decline" is in the GOP which will provide him with all the cover he needs until the next election. Then we'll see.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)It's a grave mistake to assume that this debacle of a presidency will end soon or well. And the sideways drift of our politics is hardly limited to Trump.
The level of work in front of us boggles the mind.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)That doesn't move which indicates he's not losing any supporters.
Woodwizard
(846 posts)I know a bunch here in midstate NY, 68 percent voted for him in my district. Just yesterday at the hardware store a group of magas were saying bring on the Ukraine investigation, it will expose Hillary these guys are in their own little world real events are not part of it.
I can not get over how many women still support him here in NY.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)That's our challenge. Will we be up to it?
Woodwizard
(846 posts)Of course it is. To get people previously uninvolved, I am not bothering with his base they are invested to a point of cult following.