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kpete

(72,014 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:38 PM Oct 2019

LA TIMES Editorial: Donald Trump, the worst, most dangerous president in modern history.

Flitting above this chaotic landscape — fomenting, provoking, preening, spewing, tweeting, blustering and bullying — is President Donald Trump, the worst, most dangerous president in modern history.

...........

We need not explain here why Trump is temperamentally unsuited to be president — we have said it many times, including in our 2017 series “Our Dishonest President,” and we say it again today in a separate article.

Suffice to say, the country is in the hands of a president for whom everything is transactional, for whom anything and anyone can be bought and sold. Lies, threats and empty promises are his weapons of choice; enemies are mocked and belittled while the dumbly obedient are rewarded. Ignorant and incurious, unmoved by reasoned argument, contemptuous of laws and institutions, Trump is in thrall to exactly the special interests you would expect, he is schooled at the university of Fox News, he is on a constant search for adulation and short-term advantage. He must be defeated in November 2020.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-20/trump-failures-outrages

...............

Now is no time to watch from the sidelines.

This debate between the progressives and the moderates is an important one; by all means, let’s have it. But on two issues, we hope the candidates will agree: first, that the top priority has to be defeating the incumbent, who is too irresponsible to be allowed another term; and second, that his defeat is only a first step. Even before Trump was elected, the country was divided and the old system wasn’t working. Political paralysis was already on the rise well before November 2016, symbolized by repeated government shutdowns, angry and bruising Supreme Court nomination battles, the gradual disappearance of moderate Democrats and Republicans, the decline of bipartisanship and the rise of incivility and rejectionism. Something needs to change. Anyone who is not convinced of that should just remember the name Merrick Garland.

..............


Now is no time to watch from the sidelines. Voters must become engaged, learn the issues, choose sides, speak out. Removing Donald Trump from office in November 2020 is absolutely essential — and yet it is by no means a sure thing. So do not sit this one out. Join in, and make America America again.


The rest:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-20/beating-donald-trump-the-2020-election

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LA TIMES Editorial: Donald Trump, the worst, most dangerous president in modern history. (Original Post) kpete Oct 2019 OP
I read this editorial in today's LA Times and it's one of their best. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #1
I was pissed at the Times for making Trump look like a legitimate candidate against Hiliary C Moon Oct 2019 #19
When did they do that? I sure don't recall seeing it. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #23
I'm talking about hardcopy, not online. But I'm sure the online version was just as bad. C Moon Oct 2019 #29
No worries! I don't really doubt you; I just don't remember this. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #30
... C Moon Oct 2019 #33
Just remember bdamomma Oct 2019 #2
yes Demovictory9 Oct 2019 #3
Are they calling for him to resign? If not, aren't THEY "watching from the sidelines"? flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #4
If he resignes, pence can pardon him. If he's convicted in the senate, he cannot be pardoned. PSPS Oct 2019 #8
Doesn't matter. Every serious newspaper in the country should be calling for his resignation flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #13
Bingo pbmus Oct 2019 #26
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Oct 2019 #5
Yep! calimary Oct 2019 #6
K&R 2naSalit Oct 2019 #7
More of this! nt babylonsister Oct 2019 #9
The traitor must be evicted. dalton99a Oct 2019 #10
Getting him out is one thing. Initech Oct 2019 #22
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2019 #11
Part two: dalton99a Oct 2019 #12
Totally agree... pbmus Oct 2019 #27
This one is a thing of true magnificence. calimary Oct 2019 #32
Massive understatement... jimlup Oct 2019 #14
Why do people keep referring to "modern history", why not just history? Who was worse? George II Oct 2019 #15
Good for the LA Times crickets Oct 2019 #16
Modern history? lutherj Oct 2019 #17
INFURIATING!! Grasswire2 Oct 2019 #18
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2019 #20
I think you could drop the "modern" and still be accurate... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #21
Zactly what I thought too. nt Duppers Oct 2019 #28
Good for my newspaper. I'll be saving these as they come out. Hekate Oct 2019 #24
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #25
Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are cheering Trump on Poiuyt Oct 2019 #31
Worst ever, not just modern history. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #34
Really colsohlibgal Oct 2019 #35
What president was worse? Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #36
Recent history my ass. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #37
Don't look at me, I tried to warn everyone... Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #38
the worst, most dangerous president in MODERN history?? lastlib Oct 2019 #39
Wake up America! oasis Oct 2019 #40
No danger of Trump reading that editorial bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #41
"the gradual disappearance of moderate Democrats and Republicans" llmart Oct 2019 #42
Man who got town not to say anything after the election? Pferdchen Oct 2019 #43
He Stands Alone colsohlibgal Oct 2019 #44

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,698 posts)
1. I read this editorial in today's LA Times and it's one of their best.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:43 PM
Oct 2019

It is eloquent, intelligent, logical, smart..........and they are right.

Well worth a careful read.

They will be continuing with these as time goes on.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
19. I was pissed at the Times for making Trump look like a legitimate candidate against Hiliary
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:56 PM
Oct 2019

He was a friggin' joke. We all knew it. They knew it.
But they tried to present him fairly, and make it look like any other presidential election.
They should have just written the truth.

Anyways, it's great to see these kinds of pieces. If only they put it on the front page.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
29. I'm talking about hardcopy, not online. But I'm sure the online version was just as bad.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:17 AM
Oct 2019

We still get the L.A. Times.
But the media was very forgiving of Trump during that election. He was a frigging nut, and they conveyed him as a normal candidate.
I could go through Newspapers.com, but that will take me a long time.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,698 posts)
30. No worries! I don't really doubt you; I just don't remember this.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:18 AM
Oct 2019

I'll take your word for it.

My memory is not what it used to be.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
2. Just remember
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:43 PM
Oct 2019

what Representative Cummings said "we are fighting for the soul of our country, this is serious".

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
13. Doesn't matter. Every serious newspaper in the country should be calling for his resignation
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:04 PM
Oct 2019

Pardon strategy should not factor into it. As members of the fourth estate, the press must use their social influence to call for him to leave, for the good of the country.

Of course he won't leave; but that's not the point. Once enough national newspapers are openly calling for him to go, it will help reach the tipping point. We're not there yet unfortunately, this could go on. And if it does go on, it could end badly for our republic.

Initech

(100,101 posts)
22. Getting him out is one thing.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:02 AM
Oct 2019

Getting his enablers out is something else altogether. They must go down with the ship.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
12. Part two:
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:00 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-20/trump-failures-outrages

Trump’s presidency is a train wreck. Let us count the ways
By The Times Editorial Board
Oct. 20, 2019

...

Trump has caused thousands of children to be interned in inhumane conditions, often for months, resulting in deaths, injuries and traumatic separations from families, and without access to even rudimentary schooling.

He has insulted and alienated the nation’s friends and allies, rendering the democratic world leaderless.

He flirted with repudiating NATO, a mutual defense commitment that has kept the planet free from worldwide war and destruction since the end of World War II, and has done so at a time when Russia has exhibited increasing aggression by occupying territory of neighboring Ukraine, interfering in elections in the United States and Europe, and sending assassins to Britain to poison a former Russian spy.

He has cozied up to right-wing nationalist dictators and autocrats at a moment when citizens of faltering democracies and the many peoples around the world aspiring to freedom most need an advocate on the international stage.

He has rejected the honorable American presidential tradition of seeking unity and instead has indulged in the politics of division, willfully alienating a large segment of the American electorate while among his own supporters drumming up hatred for and suspicion of others.

He has transformed the White House, which should promote policies based on reality, into the world capital of ignorance, dishonesty and misinformation by reciting verifiable falsehoods, from the size of his inauguration crowd to the direction of a hurricane to the (disproven) prevalence of election fraud.

...


calimary

(81,458 posts)
32. This one is a thing of true magnificence.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 08:29 AM
Oct 2019

Well worth saving.

VERY well worth saving.

This isn’t just a mere editorial. It’s a teaching tool. A reminder. An intellectual weapon. And the simple, bare, raw, and painful truth.

crickets

(25,983 posts)
16. Good for the LA Times
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:24 PM
Oct 2019
It’s difficult to know whether he actually can’t distinguish the real from the unreal — or whether he intentionally conflates the two to befuddle voters, deflect criticism and undermine the very idea of objective truth.


Definitely that last bit. You can tell he's been honing that scummy skill all his life. Regardless of the current mental fog he seems to inhabit, it's not accidental, not at all. It has always been completely intentional, often cruelly so.

lutherj

(2,496 posts)
17. Modern history?
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:33 PM
Oct 2019

Who exactly do they think is worse? I think back on world history and find hard to come up with a parallel. The only one that comes to mind is Hitler. Anyone have a more benign analogy? I would like to hear it. Seriously..

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
18. INFURIATING!!
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:52 PM
Oct 2019

Wray, Coates, Mueller, Comey told us UNDER OATH that the election is being rigged "as we sit here" and the Times (and too many other entities) want citizens to rely on a RIGGED ELECTION to rid ourselves of him?

INFURIATING!!

The proper response is to advocate for his removal NOW. NOW.

And Trump and fam must be rendered penniless and powerless lest they stoke a cult rebellion in order to feed his passion for revenge.

Poiuyt

(18,130 posts)
31. Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are cheering Trump on
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:22 AM
Oct 2019

Who will historians and political scientists say is the worst president in U.S. history?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
35. Really
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 04:28 PM
Oct 2019

The most important thing is getting this abomination out of office. How otherwise normal people voted for him baffles me.

lastlib

(23,284 posts)
39. the worst, most dangerous president in MODERN history??
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:26 PM
Oct 2019
"...Trump, the worst, most dangerous president in American history."


There, I fixed it for them.

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
41. No danger of Trump reading that editorial
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 06:58 PM
Oct 2019

If he'd just read a few it might send him off the charts bonkers!

llmart

(15,552 posts)
42. "the gradual disappearance of moderate Democrats and Republicans"
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 07:29 PM
Oct 2019

I agree the editorial is spot on, however, the above quote reeks too much of both siderism. Let's not act like it's the Democrats that are tearing this country apart. Now that we're fighting back, we're portrayed as part of the problem?

Pferdchen

(3 posts)
43. Man who got town not to say anything after the election?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:05 PM
Oct 2019

Does anyone remember a story from right after the election or, more importantly, have links or updates?

Here is how I recall it: There was a man in some small NY town who was totally dismayed by the election results. So dismayed that he got the entire town not to tell him anything that was going on during the Trump administration.

I was thinking that after the self-imposed media blackout is lifted, it would be interesting to see his reaction to an updated and expanded version of the editorial. You know, basically a recap or an honest state of the union report. May we all live to see the day that all of this can be viewed with detached horror as an aberration.

But anyway, despite being pretty good with search engines, I can't find any reference to the story. Do you have any info?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
44. He Stands Alone
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:21 PM
Oct 2019

The absolute worst ever, not even close. He is a horrible aberration and sadly showed we still have racial issues because I have little doubt his election was a reaction to our first President of Color.

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