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Me.

(35,454 posts) Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:34 PM Oct 2019

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Why Can't We Do To Putin What He's Been Doing To Us?

his approval is low and the Russian people are unhappy with the status quo, so why can't we help him out the door?

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Why Can't We Do To Putin What He's Been Doing To Us? (Original Post) Me. Oct 2019 OP

As with any Petroleum-based Autocracy, it's not that simple. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #1

Putin has way too much internal control for that. unblock Oct 2019 #2

He has control over much of the media and internet, and would just shut dissenting voices down. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #3

They obviously are ahead of us technologically. They proved that in 2016. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #4

They actually aren't Caliman73 Oct 2019 #5

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)

1. As with any Petroleum-based Autocracy, it's not that simple.

Reply to Me. (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:38 PM

Oct 2019

What did it take to dislodge Saddam Hussein?

unblock

(52,317 posts)

2. Putin has way too much internal control for that.

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Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:38 PM

Oct 2019

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

3. He has control over much of the media and internet, and would just shut dissenting voices down.

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Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:53 PM

Oct 2019

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)

4. They obviously are ahead of us technologically. They proved that in 2016.

Reply to Me. (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 02:50 PM

Oct 2019

Plus that autocrat will hold on forever.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)

5. They actually aren't

Reply to redstatebluegirl (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:06 PM

Oct 2019

Malcolm Nance was talking about that with Stephanie Miller about 2 months back. We could likely shut down or do serious damage to Russian infrastructure with a cyber attack. Nance said two things were holding the US back.

1. The Russian meddling while correctly believed to be done with the approval of the state, are de-centralized and in a position of deniability. If we hit Russian infrastructure, then it is an "act of war" and we'd have escalated a situation.

2. Nance said that while Russians are dangerous, our capabilities are better and it would be like an elephant squashing a gnat. We may be seen as "bullies".

I don't think that they are ahead of us by any means. They exploited social issues that We have not resolved (racism, sexism, etc) and right wingers have created the environment where we can be exploited in their own quest to hold onto power. They don't have the numbers but they have the money, power, and media control.

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