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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:35 PM Oct 2019

Right wingers threatening a "civil war" over the possibility of a Trump impeachment

There's just something strangely surreal about people even thinking about murdering family members, friends, neighbors, strangers, soldiers, police officers, etc. to defend a man who doesn't know them and who thinks he's smarter and better than them because he's richer than them and he has "good genes".

Out of the many causes one could DIE for, this is it?

Really?

Really?

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Right wingers threatening a "civil war" over the possibility of a Trump impeachment (Original Post) ck4829 Oct 2019 OP
Never underestimate nasty white people walkingman Oct 2019 #1
Just nasty white people eh? Loki Liesmith Oct 2019 #53
Yep... LovingA2andMI Oct 2019 #61
it's a cult Skittles Oct 2019 #2
I've had my fill of cults, their leaders, and their followers... thank you very much! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #52
It's the most bizarre religious cult in American history. Dave Starsky Oct 2019 #68
The NRA and the right wing propaganda (Fox, Limbaugh, etc) machine created this. Initech Oct 2019 #3
It's a perfect storm of chaos and BS. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #8
It is so easy to fight that war sitting at a keyboard. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #4
Oh they're full of it jberryhill Oct 2019 #5
Hardly, these people have a lot in common with ISIS, Al Queda, and the Taliban zaj Oct 2019 #10
Unplug the chargers on their mobility scooters jberryhill Oct 2019 #12
What a Rascal you are. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #15
Haha, but... zaj Oct 2019 #21
this is over a year and a half old? Mar 7-14 2018? Demonaut Oct 2019 #26
And it showed 34% then... I assumed 25% zaj Oct 2019 #36
old data? Demonaut Oct 2019 #39
Don't imagine them as motivated. griffi94 Oct 2019 #33
Really? zaj Oct 2019 #37
The majority of these people. griffi94 Oct 2019 #38
There may be a few terrorist attacks Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #41
The fight isn't going to be against an organized military zaj Oct 2019 #42
Well, I'm not afraid of them. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #43
GOP leaders are... zaj Oct 2019 #45
Yep! FM123 Oct 2019 #55
Well armed? tazkcmo Oct 2019 #54
Um that's simplistic. They are embedded, widely distributed, entwined, stochastic, assymetrical. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #57
Foreign Policy: White Supremacists Want a Dirty Bomb Celerity Oct 2019 #59
Wow, worthy of its own post zaj Oct 2019 #67
They'll carry their pistols Turbineguy Oct 2019 #6
Hopefully it would end then and there ck4829 Oct 2019 #14
No, that's not it. zaj Oct 2019 #7
Hopefully after we get through this the snap back will cause that stuff to all but disappear. docgee Oct 2019 #20
Not a chance... zaj Oct 2019 #23
A scary prospect Mike 03 Oct 2019 #63
Saw this one earlier: MyOwnPeace Oct 2019 #9
Baseball seems like the least woke sport zaj Oct 2019 #11
No, that is definitely football Clash City Rocker Oct 2019 #31
Let's hope that Gen. Gaetz leads the troops StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #13
Several of them have been caught on video training Elwood P Dowd Oct 2019 #16
These people aren't sane enough to own guns dustyscamp Oct 2019 #17
+1 dalton99a Oct 2019 #25
I am so disappointed in Ted Nugent. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2019 #35
Yep, quite a scary bunch Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #18
Hehe :) Ahpook Oct 2019 #32
Jeebus. That poor camp chair. nt Maru Kitteh Oct 2019 #40
MEAL TEAM 6 HAB911 Oct 2019 #65
There will be no civil war, they are for most part, cowards. Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #19
At the core of it, that's my thinking as well ck4829 Oct 2019 #22
Mildly concerned, but not really afraid... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #24
If it happens once, it can happen again. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #27
Let them come to San Francisco RandySF Oct 2019 #28
I live in Southwest Seattle, a community called White Center ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #29
Bring it on you bozos. C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #30
LOL ck4829 Oct 2019 #50
All hat, no cattle. yardwork Oct 2019 #34
Most of it is bluster... cynatnite Oct 2019 #44
Yep ck4829 Oct 2019 #49
A civil war can't happen in this country. Quality of life is too good, people have too much to coti Oct 2019 #46
That's my take as well. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #47
They have four teeny little problems jmowreader Oct 2019 #48
They're all hot bags of wind. They won't do a thing if he's impeached Cousin Dupree Oct 2019 #51
The repugs are ALWAYS murder mouthing threats of civil war. Mc Mike Oct 2019 #56
Their Civil War will last as long as yesterday's charade at the impeachment hearings lanlady Oct 2019 #58
They forget we have the military. After the Kurd slaughter they're probably chomping at the bit. Vinca Oct 2019 #60
Let's say there were a Civil War and these imbeciles... Hugin Oct 2019 #62
I hate to reduce such a frightening scenario (and it is) to economics... Mike 03 Oct 2019 #64
Threatening civil war should be considered HAB911 Oct 2019 #66

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
52. I've had my fill of cults, their leaders, and their followers... thank you very much!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:36 AM
Oct 2019

They need to be destroyed... nipped-in-the-bud! Nip it! Nip it in the bud!

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
68. It's the most bizarre religious cult in American history.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:12 AM
Oct 2019

Trump fanatics make Scientology look like a book club.

Initech

(100,082 posts)
3. The NRA and the right wing propaganda (Fox, Limbaugh, etc) machine created this.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

They own it, and if blood is shed over this bullshit, history will remember it.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
10. Hardly, these people have a lot in common with ISIS, Al Queda, and the Taliban
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:44 PM
Oct 2019

They are all authoritarians struggling to maintain the control they used to have in a world empowering all the minority views they hate.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
21. Haha, but...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:59 PM
Oct 2019

34% of people 18-49 years old approve of Trump.

And if his hard core crazy base is even just 25%, we are talking about 30-40 million able-bodied, well-armed, cultminded zealots totally blind to information, facts, shame, criminal behavior, as long as it hurts the "others".

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
33. Don't imagine them as motivated.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:54 PM
Oct 2019

They may be between 18-49, but they're largely like Beavis and Butthead.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
37. Really?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 10:42 PM
Oct 2019

Low education, emotionally unstable and disaffected is exactly where terrorist organizations recruit.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
38. The majority of these people.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 10:48 PM
Oct 2019

can't find their way to the corner 7-11.
They're keyboard warriors.

Turin_C3PO

(14,009 posts)
41. There may be a few terrorist attacks
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:04 PM
Oct 2019

here and there (which, yes, would be horrible obviously) but there will be no organized movement. Most people in this country are too attached to creature comforts to risk their lives fighting against an organized military. It’s simply not going to happen.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
42. The fight isn't going to be against an organized military
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:13 PM
Oct 2019

It's going to be attacks on citizens, just as all terrorist attacks are.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
45. GOP leaders are...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:26 PM
Oct 2019

... essentially commiting treason
... using violent and dangerous rhetoric
... pumping out extremely dangerous propaganda through Fox News

The assumptions that things will end normally seems naive to me.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
55. Yep!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:05 AM
Oct 2019

Not just terrorist organizations but cults and cult-like groups know who are the most susceptible to radicalization. In my county here in FL we had a guy (Cesar Sayoc) that was such a die-hard trumpist he mailed home-made bombs to trump's enemies to please him.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
54. Well armed?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:52 AM
Oct 2019

At best they have AR-15 and other such rifles. They have no artillery. They have no aircraft. They have no surface-to-air missiles. They have no reconnaissance abilities such a satellites and AWACs. These people are woefully over estimating their fighting abilities. They forget they don't need to be seen to be killed.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
57. Um that's simplistic. They are embedded, widely distributed, entwined, stochastic, assymetrical.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:11 AM
Oct 2019

They are also sure they control the food supply.

Like you, I think they will not prevail, but your analysis assume patterns of warfare that have no applicability to the situation.

They will not prevail because in the end their true numbers are tiny.

Celerity

(43,422 posts)
59. Foreign Policy: White Supremacists Want a Dirty Bomb
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:52 AM
Oct 2019
And the Trump administration is letting them get dangerously close to acquiring one.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/16/white-supremacists-want-a-nuclear-weapon/

On Dec. 9, 2008, police raided the home of the millionaire James Cummings in Belfast, Maine. Cummings was an abusive husband, and he had been shot in the head by his wife, but that wasn’t what still disturbs investigators to this day. At Cummings’s home, police obtained radiological material and literature on constructing a dirty bomb. Cummings had collected the radioactive isotope thorium-232 and depleted uranium, the latter of which he bought online, along with the materials necessary to build a conventional explosive. Angered by the election of Barack Obama as U.S. president, Cummings had compiled the materials he deemed necessary to build a dirty bomb just 42 days before the inauguration.

At the scene, investigators found literature on how to create different types of radiological dispersal devices (RDDs), colloquially referred to as dirty bombs, using the radioactive isotopes cesium-137, cobalt-60, and strontium-90 and an application for the U.S. Nationalist Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization. Cummings had ties to white nationalist groups, he revered Adolf Hitler, and, according to workers who spent time in his home, he was a collector of Nazi memorabilia.

More than a decade later, on Aug. 3, 2019, a gunman posted an anti-immigrant, white nationalist manifesto on a far right forum, walked into a Walmart on the East side of El Paso, Texas and opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle, killing 22 people.. There is no longer any question of whether the country is facing the rise of domestic white supremacist terrorists. The question is how far they will go. While the United States has been focused on the trafficking of nuclear and radiological materials abroad, experts at the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) have argued that the threat of dangerous radiological materials being used in America’s own backyard is “just as serious.”

With a wide variety of civilian uses, including in the medical, industrial, and research fields, radiological materials rated by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as Category 1 threats—such as cesium-137, cobalt-60, and strontium-90—are left relatively unguarded. These materials could be used to contaminate a major U.S. city with devastating consequences.

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Turbineguy

(37,353 posts)
6. They'll carry their pistols
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

in their belts and accidentally blow off their goonies when they pull the gun out to shoot libtards..

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
7. No, that's not it.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:41 PM
Oct 2019

This is exactly the same as the civil war... Only bigger.

This is about the absolute terror that 30% of the population has over the end of White-supremacy, Christian-supremacy and Male supremacy.

The civil war was only about White-supremacy.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
23. Not a chance...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:08 PM
Oct 2019

The core of this is a struggle for control between an authoritarian population who despises change, instability and diversity. And democracy which seeks to broaden the people who share power and participate.

That is a never ending conflict.

Trump is the best of the Future Leaders of this authoritarian movement because hes so terrible at hiding motives for everyone.

The next wave will be more polished, wannabe dictators like Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence. And the ultimate problem will be when a polished, smart, charismatic authoritarian rises to power.

Not sure if wen have seen such a person yet.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
63. A scary prospect
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:48 AM
Oct 2019

There could be individual acts of domestic terror that would cause people to fear living as they ordinarily live. But once this impacts the economy--and that won't take long at all--this chaos will come under control pretty quickly.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
31. No, that is definitely football
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:32 PM
Oct 2019

They have a team whose name is a racial slur, and a player has been blackballed for saying that it isn’t okay to murder black people.

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
17. These people aren't sane enough to own guns
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:54 PM
Oct 2019

An Armed Extremist Group in Georgia Is Threatening Violence If Stacey Abrams Wins
https://www.theroot.com/an-armed-extremist-group-in-georgia-is-threatening-viol-1830240135

In Context: Ted Nugent saying if Obama wins, 'I will either be dead or in jail'
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/apr/19/context-ted-nugent-saying-if-obama-wins-i-will-be/

Billionaire CEO Threatens To Fire Employees If Obama Wins
https://thinkprogress.org/billionaire-ceo-threatens-to-fire-employees-if-obama-wins-37ee4d37c296/

Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html

37 People Who Say They're Moving To Australia If Obama Wins
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jwherrman/37-people-who-say-theyre-moving-to-australia-if-o

Donald Trump supporter threatens to assassinate Hillary Clinton if she wins
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-supporter-assassinate-hillary-clinton-video-watch-us-election-2016-a7366301.html

Republican governor threatens violence if Hillary Clinton is elected
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/15/bevi-s15.html

Ahpook

(2,750 posts)
32. Hehe :)
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:40 PM
Oct 2019

They will lose... again

In reality, there may be a few instances, and hope it is not very severe. Let's hope no lives are lost!

I couldn't think it would go more than that.

Stay safe people

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
19. There will be no civil war, they are for most part, cowards.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:56 PM
Oct 2019

There are however those amongst them that will turn into McVeighs.

We have already seen their ilk.

Be prepared for more nutjobs snapping and unleashing terrorist attacks.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
22. At the core of it, that's my thinking as well
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:59 PM
Oct 2019

Maybe an Atomwaffen Division-sized group could form.

It just boggles my mind... Out of all the potential injustices out there, both real and perceived, THIS is their final straw?

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
30. Bring it on you bozos.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:28 PM
Oct 2019

They can't even invade a scif without looking ridiculous. Prepare for more self-inflicted comedy.

coti

(4,612 posts)
46. A civil war can't happen in this country. Quality of life is too good, people have too much to
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:26 PM
Oct 2019

lose. And, in the end, they are pacified.

The scary words are all talk, part of the political entertainment "show." The TV is in control- and not in a way that is going to get anyone off their couch.

There can be isolated terrorist incidents from those who are truly disenfranchised from society, and those will happen whether or not there is genuine political strife.

And there can be a breakdown in the rule of law, in people's faith in the law and our society as a collective. There can certainly be more lawlessness, less adherence to the accepted norms of behavior.

But what we aren't going to see is anyone "pledging their lives, fortunes and sacred honor" on any meaningfully large scale or actually making principled sacrifices.

We're never going to see another civil war for the same reason that we're, sadly, not going to see a country-wide, serious push to end our role in climate change. People just don't give enough of a shit, and, even if they did, they don't see themselves as having any control. They are "pigs in cages on antibiotics," as Thom Yorke put it.

It reminds of a scene from the end of The Big Lebowski, when Donny asks, "Are these guys going to hurt us, Walter?"



Walter replies, "No, Donny, these men are cowards," patting him on the shoulder.

There just isn't the authenticity or political depth to any of this that would be required for a well-to-do society like ours to break down in such a way. It's all bullshit, and the consumerism is going to win out.

Turin_C3PO

(14,009 posts)
47. That's my take as well.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:32 PM
Oct 2019

As I said above, people aren’t going to risk their homes, jobs, cable subscriptions, internet access, etc. to defend Donald Trump.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
48. They have four teeny little problems
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 12:00 AM
Oct 2019

Problem 1: They will not have the support of the police or the military.

Problem 2: They also will not have the support of the vast majority of the country. Very few people are willing to die to protect a known criminal.

Problem 3: They will lose. Badly.

and...

Problem 4: After they lose, the few sane Republicans will join with the Democrats to ensure something like this never happens again...and that means, any lurking MAGAt that is here, that the Second Amendment will be repealed and every assault rifle in America will be thrown in a car shredder.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
58. Their Civil War will last as long as yesterday's charade at the impeachment hearings
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:32 AM
Oct 2019

Trumps's self-styled stormtroopers will make a bunch of noise, then get bored, order pizza, and go home.

Hugin

(33,167 posts)
62. Let's say there were a Civil War and these imbeciles...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:42 AM
Oct 2019

"won". (Nobody ever really "wins" a war. Their first mistake is thinking so.)

The US is thrown into total anarchy.

Who is going to pay these moron's disability payments and veteran's benefits? Trump? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *ouch! my, back.* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I've said many times these mental microbes have been trained over their entire lives and for several generations prior, to hate their fellow Americans more than anyone or anything else. They do it with gusto. Disturbing, but, the Truth.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
64. I hate to reduce such a frightening scenario (and it is) to economics...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:52 AM
Oct 2019

But if our consumption driven economy is impacted by violent chaos, our economy will collapse, and the powers that be won't allow that (I don't think). Individual acts of terror could well happen but would likely be brought under control fairly rapidly. If you can't pretty much assure the safety of people living, consuming and going to work, our economy would cease to function in days or weeks, not months.

HAB911

(8,904 posts)
66. Threatening civil war should be considered
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:16 AM
Oct 2019

Sedition : conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

Charge a few making the threats

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