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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRight wingers threatening a "civil war" over the possibility of a Trump impeachment
There's just something strangely surreal about people even thinking about murdering family members, friends, neighbors, strangers, soldiers, police officers, etc. to defend a man who doesn't know them and who thinks he's smarter and better than them because he's richer than them and he has "good genes".
Out of the many causes one could DIE for, this is it?
Really?
Really?
walkingman
(7,630 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Whom are the MAJORITY of DRUMP supporters? Not Non-Caucasian people. Truth hurts. huh?
Skittles
(153,169 posts)they're sick
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They need to be destroyed... nipped-in-the-bud! Nip it! Nip it in the bud!
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Trump fanatics make Scientology look like a book club.
Initech
(100,082 posts)They own it, and if blood is shed over this bullshit, history will remember it.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Ask Trump himself.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)They are all authoritarians struggling to maintain the control they used to have in a world empowering all the minority views they hate.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And that will stop them in their tracks.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)34% of people 18-49 years old approve of Trump.
And if his hard core crazy base is even just 25%, we are talking about 30-40 million able-bodied, well-armed, cultminded zealots totally blind to information, facts, shame, criminal behavior, as long as it hurts the "others".
Demonaut
(8,920 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)What's your concern?
griffi94
(3,733 posts)They may be between 18-49, but they're largely like Beavis and Butthead.
Low education, emotionally unstable and disaffected is exactly where terrorist organizations recruit.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)can't find their way to the corner 7-11.
They're keyboard warriors.
Turin_C3PO
(14,009 posts)here and there (which, yes, would be horrible obviously) but there will be no organized movement. Most people in this country are too attached to creature comforts to risk their lives fighting against an organized military. Its simply not going to happen.
zaj
(3,433 posts)It's going to be attacks on citizens, just as all terrorist attacks are.
Turin_C3PO
(14,009 posts)Theyre all a bunch of cowards.
zaj
(3,433 posts)... essentially commiting treason
... using violent and dangerous rhetoric
... pumping out extremely dangerous propaganda through Fox News
The assumptions that things will end normally seems naive to me.
Not just terrorist organizations but cults and cult-like groups know who are the most susceptible to radicalization. In my county here in FL we had a guy (Cesar Sayoc) that was such a die-hard trumpist he mailed home-made bombs to trump's enemies to please him.
At best they have AR-15 and other such rifles. They have no artillery. They have no aircraft. They have no surface-to-air missiles. They have no reconnaissance abilities such a satellites and AWACs. These people are woefully over estimating their fighting abilities. They forget they don't need to be seen to be killed.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)They are also sure they control the food supply.
Like you, I think they will not prevail, but your analysis assume patterns of warfare that have no applicability to the situation.
They will not prevail because in the end their true numbers are tiny.
Celerity
(43,422 posts)https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/16/white-supremacists-want-a-nuclear-weapon/
On Dec. 9, 2008, police raided the home of the millionaire James Cummings in Belfast, Maine. Cummings was an abusive husband, and he had been shot in the head by his wife, but that wasnt what still disturbs investigators to this day. At Cummingss home, police obtained radiological material and literature on constructing a dirty bomb. Cummings had collected the radioactive isotope thorium-232 and depleted uranium, the latter of which he bought online, along with the materials necessary to build a conventional explosive. Angered by the election of Barack Obama as U.S. president, Cummings had compiled the materials he deemed necessary to build a dirty bomb just 42 days before the inauguration.
At the scene, investigators found literature on how to create different types of radiological dispersal devices (RDDs), colloquially referred to as dirty bombs, using the radioactive isotopes cesium-137, cobalt-60, and strontium-90 and an application for the U.S. Nationalist Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization. Cummings had ties to white nationalist groups, he revered Adolf Hitler, and, according to workers who spent time in his home, he was a collector of Nazi memorabilia.
More than a decade later, on Aug. 3, 2019, a gunman posted an anti-immigrant, white nationalist manifesto on a far right forum, walked into a Walmart on the East side of El Paso, Texas and opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle, killing 22 people.. There is no longer any question of whether the country is facing the rise of domestic white supremacist terrorists. The question is how far they will go. While the United States has been focused on the trafficking of nuclear and radiological materials abroad, experts at the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) have argued that the threat of dangerous radiological materials being used in Americas own backyard is just as serious.
With a wide variety of civilian uses, including in the medical, industrial, and research fields, radiological materials rated by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as Category 1 threatssuch as cesium-137, cobalt-60, and strontium-90are left relatively unguarded. These materials could be used to contaminate a major U.S. city with devastating consequences.
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zaj
(3,433 posts)I encourage you to start this in its own post.
Turbineguy
(37,353 posts)in their belts and accidentally blow off their goonies when they pull the gun out to shoot libtards..
ck4829
(35,077 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)This is exactly the same as the civil war... Only bigger.
This is about the absolute terror that 30% of the population has over the end of White-supremacy, Christian-supremacy and Male supremacy.
The civil war was only about White-supremacy.
docgee
(870 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)The core of this is a struggle for control between an authoritarian population who despises change, instability and diversity. And democracy which seeks to broaden the people who share power and participate.
That is a never ending conflict.
Trump is the best of the Future Leaders of this authoritarian movement because hes so terrible at hiding motives for everyone.
The next wave will be more polished, wannabe dictators like Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence. And the ultimate problem will be when a polished, smart, charismatic authoritarian rises to power.
Not sure if wen have seen such a person yet.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)There could be individual acts of domestic terror that would cause people to fear living as they ordinarily live. But once this impacts the economy--and that won't take long at all--this chaos will come under control pretty quickly.
MyOwnPeace
(16,928 posts)Yeah, a Major League Umpire!
Really?
Talk about "needing glasses" - open your eyes, F**k nuts, and SEE what's going on!
zaj
(3,433 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)They have a team whose name is a racial slur, and a player has been blackballed for saying that it isnt okay to murder black people.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)for the coming Civil War.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)An Armed Extremist Group in Georgia Is Threatening Violence If Stacey Abrams Wins
https://www.theroot.com/an-armed-extremist-group-in-georgia-is-threatening-viol-1830240135
In Context: Ted Nugent saying if Obama wins, 'I will either be dead or in jail'
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/apr/19/context-ted-nugent-saying-if-obama-wins-i-will-be/
Billionaire CEO Threatens To Fire Employees If Obama Wins
https://thinkprogress.org/billionaire-ceo-threatens-to-fire-employees-if-obama-wins-37ee4d37c296/
Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html
37 People Who Say They're Moving To Australia If Obama Wins
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jwherrman/37-people-who-say-theyre-moving-to-australia-if-o
Donald Trump supporter threatens to assassinate Hillary Clinton if she wins
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-supporter-assassinate-hillary-clinton-video-watch-us-election-2016-a7366301.html
Republican governor threatens violence if Hillary Clinton is elected
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/15/bevi-s15.html
Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,573 posts)He really fell through on his promise.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,057 posts)Provided they don't have a massive coronary in the process.
Ahpook
(2,750 posts)They will lose... again
In reality, there may be a few instances, and hope it is not very severe. Let's hope no lives are lost!
I couldn't think it would go more than that.
Stay safe people
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)HAB911
(8,904 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)There are however those amongst them that will turn into McVeighs.
We have already seen their ilk.
Be prepared for more nutjobs snapping and unleashing terrorist attacks.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Maybe an Atomwaffen Division-sized group could form.
It just boggles my mind... Out of all the potential injustices out there, both real and perceived, THIS is their final straw?
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)Of course, I live in a blue state.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)Unfortunately.
RandySF
(58,936 posts)And well make the White Knight Riot look like tickle fight.
ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)They can bring it on.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)They can't even invade a scif without looking ridiculous. Prepare for more self-inflicted comedy.
yardwork
(61,663 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)It's the few with multiple loaded weapons that frighten me.
coti
(4,612 posts)lose. And, in the end, they are pacified.
The scary words are all talk, part of the political entertainment "show." The TV is in control- and not in a way that is going to get anyone off their couch.
There can be isolated terrorist incidents from those who are truly disenfranchised from society, and those will happen whether or not there is genuine political strife.
And there can be a breakdown in the rule of law, in people's faith in the law and our society as a collective. There can certainly be more lawlessness, less adherence to the accepted norms of behavior.
But what we aren't going to see is anyone "pledging their lives, fortunes and sacred honor" on any meaningfully large scale or actually making principled sacrifices.
We're never going to see another civil war for the same reason that we're, sadly, not going to see a country-wide, serious push to end our role in climate change. People just don't give enough of a shit, and, even if they did, they don't see themselves as having any control. They are "pigs in cages on antibiotics," as Thom Yorke put it.
It reminds of a scene from the end of The Big Lebowski, when Donny asks, "Are these guys going to hurt us, Walter?"
Walter replies, "No, Donny, these men are cowards," patting him on the shoulder.
There just isn't the authenticity or political depth to any of this that would be required for a well-to-do society like ours to break down in such a way. It's all bullshit, and the consumerism is going to win out.
Turin_C3PO
(14,009 posts)As I said above, people arent going to risk their homes, jobs, cable subscriptions, internet access, etc. to defend Donald Trump.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Problem 1: They will not have the support of the police or the military.
Problem 2: They also will not have the support of the vast majority of the country. Very few people are willing to die to protect a known criminal.
Problem 3: They will lose. Badly.
and...
Problem 4: After they lose, the few sane Republicans will join with the Democrats to ensure something like this never happens again...and that means, any lurking MAGAt that is here, that the Second Amendment will be repealed and every assault rifle in America will be thrown in a car shredder.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)lanlady
(7,134 posts)Trumps's self-styled stormtroopers will make a bunch of noise, then get bored, order pizza, and go home.
Vinca
(50,282 posts)Hugin
(33,167 posts)"won". (Nobody ever really "wins" a war. Their first mistake is thinking so.)
The US is thrown into total anarchy.
Who is going to pay these moron's disability payments and veteran's benefits? Trump? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *ouch! my, back.* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I've said many times these mental microbes have been trained over their entire lives and for several generations prior, to hate their fellow Americans more than anyone or anything else. They do it with gusto. Disturbing, but, the Truth.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)But if our consumption driven economy is impacted by violent chaos, our economy will collapse, and the powers that be won't allow that (I don't think). Individual acts of terror could well happen but would likely be brought under control fairly rapidly. If you can't pretty much assure the safety of people living, consuming and going to work, our economy would cease to function in days or weeks, not months.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)Sedition : conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
Charge a few making the threats