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kentuck

(111,104 posts) Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:41 AM Oct 2019

Impeachment inquiry only scratching the surface?

The Democrats are likely to believe that the Trump/Giuliani "investigation" in Ukraine was simply to find dirt on Joe Biden and the DNC. But, in my opinion, that was only a side benefit of what they were looking for in the Ukraine.

There was a reason that Giuliani was consulting with Paul Manafort, thru his lawyer, before he went to the Ukraine. Manafort had information that Trump wanted.

Trump and Giuliani were shocked when Zelensky won the presidency in their May election. They needed to re-shuffle their cards. It was totally unexpected and they lost their "contacts" from the previous corrupt presidency in Ukraine.

Trump was/is working for Vladimir Putin. He does not want to see Ukraine as an independent, democratic country, cracking down on their corruption. He wants to see Russia in control of Ukraine, just like they are now in control of Syria. This is the bigger picture.

Dymtro Firtash is the money man for Putin. He pays people like Manafort, Giuliani, and his associates to disrupt and divide democracies around the world, including the United States. Firtash is now residing in Vienna, Austria.

Coincidentally, Giuliani's "associates" had one-way tickets to Vienna when they were arrested at the Dulles Airport. Giuliani also had a ticket for the next day to Vienna. The connection is too obvious to overlook.

Just as Nancy Pelosi told Trump in their meeting the other day, "all roads lead to Putin". Putin wants Ukraine back under Russian control and, if given the opportunity, will use military force to take it.

Putin also wants to blame the attacks on our elections in 2016 on Ukraine. He tells Donald there is a "DNC server" in Ukraine that will prove it. Of course, Donald believes him. Putin wants the sanctions lifted. His friend, Donald, has been unable to get it passed thru a Republican Senate.

Only then can they return to their normal criminal activities of real estate money-laundering and business as usual. It is about money. Getting dirt on Joe Biden is only scratching the surface of what is happening in the Ukraine with Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

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Impeachment inquiry only scratching the surface? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2019 OP

Well, they may have to focus on the most identifiable and readily exposed, but there will be decades hlthe2b Oct 2019 #1

Unfortunately, you may be right. kentuck Oct 2019 #2

Why has he done something else wrong? LakeArenal Oct 2019 #3

That makes sense to me. How would trump profit from helping Putin? alfredo Oct 2019 #4

Trump's business and his very existence is dependent upon the goodwill of Putin. kentuck Oct 2019 #5

That's right. I forgot about his real estate. alfredo Oct 2019 #6

Interesting thread that follows alot of the same paths that you do PRETZEL Oct 2019 #7

Thanks! kentuck Oct 2019 #8

'All roads lead to putin' - is a harbinger which promises much beyond surface empedocles Oct 2019 #9

Trump is, of course, rotten to the core. Happy Hoosier Oct 2019 #10

hlthe2b

(102,301 posts)

1. Well, they may have to focus on the most identifiable and readily exposed, but there will be decades

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:45 AM

Oct 2019

worth of work for investigative reporters and book authors going forward. The full extent on this man and his ilk--the Republicans who enabled him, all their misdeeds and corruption, will continue to come out after he is dead or totally incapacitated.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)

2. Unfortunately, you may be right.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:47 AM

Oct 2019

It will take many years to uncover the full extent of this corruption.

LakeArenal

(28,826 posts)

3. Why has he done something else wrong?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:51 AM

Oct 2019

alfredo

(60,074 posts)

4. That makes sense to me. How would trump profit from helping Putin?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:56 AM

Oct 2019

Is it money, or is it silence on trump sexual indiscretions? Both?

kentuck

(111,104 posts)

5. Trump's business and his very existence is dependent upon the goodwill of Putin.

Reply to alfredo (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:01 AM

Oct 2019

Everything he does is for Putin.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)

6. That's right. I forgot about his real estate.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:03 AM

Oct 2019

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)

7. Interesting thread that follows alot of the same paths that you do

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:07 AM

Oct 2019

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1187360581617147905.html

he takes it from a slightly different perspective, but he gets to the same place.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)

8. Thanks!

Reply to PRETZEL (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:13 AM

Oct 2019

I think he is right on! Giuliani is there to manipulate the boards of the gas and oil companies, and to use their power to direct the politics of Ukraine. If they control the pipelines, they control the country. I do believe that is the primary reason Giuliani is there. Trump just wants to help Putin. They all want to make money.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)

9. 'All roads lead to putin' - is a harbinger which promises much beyond surface

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:23 AM

Oct 2019

Happy Hoosier

(7,334 posts)

10. Trump is, of course, rotten to the core.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:29 AM

Oct 2019

But as we've seen, a vital section of the public just can't be bothered with esoteric detail, no matter how damning. The Mueller report was chock full of crimes.

Pelosi and Schiff need to keep this laser focused into easily consumed 30 second sound bites. It pains me, but that's just the way this plays out. For too many people, if they can;t see the wrong-doing in 30 seconds, they lose interest. The details can wait for the post-office prosecutions.

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