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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Storming the SCIF" did exactly what they wanted it to. We fell for it. We were distracted.
The United States just handed the Middle East to Russia. Our influence there has been destroyed. That happened 2 days ago, and the story no longer leads on the NYT or the Washington Post.
ISTANBUL Russia and Turkey agreed Tuesday on a plan to push Syrian Kurdish fighters from a wide swath of territory just south of Turkeys border, cementing Russian President Vladimir Putins preeminent role in Syria as U.S. troops depart and Americas influence wanes.
The agreement, reached after an hours-long meeting between Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Black Sea resort town of Sochi, will leave Turkey and Russia in control of territory formerly held by Kurdish forces once allied with the United States.
More important, though, the deal bolstered Russias preferred endgame in Syrias civil war by allowing its ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, to regain control over more of his countrys territory. Russia is also prodding states in the region to recognize, either explicitly or tacitly, the Syrian governments authority, analysts said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-putin-in-russia-to-discuss-syrian-operation/2019/10/22/764abcea-f43f-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,748 posts)Sometimes - almost always, in fact - more than one thing happens at the same time. The SCIF stunt will be forgotten in another day or two but the Syria situation won't.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Squinch
(50,956 posts)You don't see an escalating pattern of fuck-up, distract, fuck-up bigger, distract bigger?
Can you envision a "we" that might be larger than just you?
yardwork
(61,661 posts)While you were looking at that photo EarlG posted of white guys standing around, the Russians took over the Middle East.
Nice going.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Who was convinced that Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast was a deliberate attempt to distract Americans from Hitler's move to annex the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia.
When I was younger, someone stole my bicycle, and while I was looking around the neighborhood for it - BAM - the Tet Offensive.
Triloon
(506 posts)Do you really think the turk and russian would have made a different decision if the American news consumer had been paying closer attention to their closed meeting? I dont. I'm pretty sure putin and erdogan don't give a damn about about american public opinion. I'm also pretty sure Americans are right to be attentve to the Republican violations of national security.
Squinch
(50,956 posts)the same media lets our Trump-manufactured national shame fall off the front pages?
I do.
Triloon
(506 posts)I see the shame deepening every day. It turns out trump gave prior approval of the stunt although it was a violation of fed law and security protocols. This doesn't help him, it's a revelation of the continuance of his criminal inclinations.
Squinch
(50,956 posts)reputation of the US on the world stage for generations to come is nowhere to be found among the top stories of the day.
Triloon
(506 posts)I read that trump would like to send a battalion of tanks to defend the Syrian oil fields, after removing the troops defending the Kurds. These are also just headlines without detail. But I know them because they are reported and so can anyone else. At this point his engineered distractions are feeding his own condemnation. The Russian/Turkish partitioning of Syria and collective punishment/removal of the Kurds is in the news, it is not ignored. Trump's betrayal there isn't forgotten.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)very brief and well handled. The hearing went on and we kept paying attention to all the significant
factors involved in the impeachment process and other failures brought about by the tRUMP administration. The reTHUGS know that they've already lost so we can expect more distractions that
won't change the long-term outcome a bit.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I can be aware of more than one issue at a time and I don't live life based on what priorities the churning news cycle is presenting.
The information stays online and, to me, it is more about who cares to know about it enough to find out what is going on. I would be more concerned about people who don't pay attention or are just apathetic about it all.
So, maybe framing it as a sucker game and an intentional distraction is a matter of false equivalences? Referring to "we" is generalizing, to say the least. I don't think it is necessary to put it in that context at all.
ismnotwasm
(41,992 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)called the scif stormers a Gaggle of Goofballs!
Hekate
(90,719 posts)TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)Many people can process more than one thing at a time.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They have been trying to recover since.
GaYellowDawg
(4,447 posts)This particular one is ridiculous. So this is a distraction? Matt fucking Goetz is some kind of 8th dimensional chess master who does the one thing that can distract from Russias master plan? Fuck, no. Hes a lawless goddamn moron who pulled a spectacularly stupid political stunt to try to gin up sympathy for Trump.
Whats happening in Turkey/Syria is nothing more than the master, Putin, pulling on his moron puppet Trumps strings. It doesnt need a distraction because Putin has his personal fellator in place who will do his bidding without giving fuck one about what anyone in the US thinks. Goetz stunt was newsworthy and Jesus Christ, it wasnt a distraction from Syria just because youd prefer the news cover that instead.
Im beginning to give the distraction posts the same kind of eye roll that I get when some Trump moron brings up Qanon.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)They were so busy performing that they forgot they were security risks, too.
I'm sick of being accused of being distracted when I comment. It's ridiculous.
Squinch
(50,956 posts)Personally, I think that is worth more than a day in the headlines and an eyeroll. But that's me.
GaYellowDawg
(4,447 posts)The eye rolling is at the "distraction" posts, not at the ethnic cleansing. But nice straw man there.
Some of us can actually, you know, be concerned with more than one thing at once, and don't need pedantic lectures on how we should be paying attention to one thing at the exclusion of everything else. By the way, the Goetz stunt is an attempt to affect an investigation that involves Trump, who enabled the ethnic cleansing at the behest of Putin and Erdogan. Take Trump out of leadership while exposing the corruption of both his administration and the Republican Party in general, and perhaps a different power structure is elected in this country that will actually do something about the ethnic cleansing - more than hand-wringing on a bulletin board and scolding other posters. Do you see where this is leading? Can you connect the dots? Getting Trump out of office is the single most crucial step in actually doing something for the Kurdish people. Therefore, anything that affects the investigation into his corruption has relevance to the ethnic cleansing, and that certainly includes Goetz's stunt. You might think about stepping back and taking a look at the bigger picture.
The worst thing about this situation is that Trump has been able to destroy so many lives so quickly, and a remedy is going to come slowly.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They're not that smart, and we're not that dumb. We didn't "fall for" anything. It's just a three-ring circus of a shit-show... there's ALWAYS something going on.