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applegrove

(118,683 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:56 PM Oct 2019

Barr Opens Criminal Inquiry Into Russia Probe

Barr Opens Criminal Inquiry Into Russia Probe

October 24, 2019 at 8:35 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 58 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2019/10/24/barr-opens-criminal-inquiry-into-russia-probe/

"SNIP.....

New York Times: “Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to impanel a grand jury and to file criminal charges.”

“The opening of a criminal investigation is likely to raise alarms that Mr. Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies. Mr. Trump fired James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director under whose watch agents opened the Russia inquiry, and has long assailed other top former law enforcement and intelligence officials as partisans who sought to block his election.”

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Barr Opens Criminal Inquiry Into Russia Probe (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2019 OP
Nazis. stopbush Oct 2019 #1
Why, yes. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #54
Bolshevik Barr is gonna investigate tRUMP and himself? I gotta see this! abqtommy Oct 2019 #2
I don't think that's what's happening. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #35
But that isn't an investigation, it's witch hunt... abqtommy Oct 2019 #68
Such BS bdamomma Oct 2019 #3
Insane. Barr is such a dirty muthah. Glimmer of Hope Oct 2019 #4
Banana Republican stuff. magicarpet Oct 2019 #5
Trump has always wanted to put Pres. Obama on trial VMA131Marine Oct 2019 #6
Been saying this from the beginning cilla4progress Oct 2019 #7
He did? What did he say? dewsgirl Oct 2019 #52
You won't get an answer. former9thward Oct 2019 #58
He "missppoke" cilla4progress Oct 2019 #72
I can find no account of this in mainstream media. former9thward Oct 2019 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author former9thward Oct 2019 #56
And Comey and Robert Mueller too. emulatorloo Oct 2019 #28
It strikes me as a distraction to get Taylor's testimony off the front pages Jarqui Oct 2019 #8
They'll be putting Democrats in jail. spanone Oct 2019 #9
I have been worried about this. It looks like we are dewsgirl Oct 2019 #53
Channeling John Mitchell Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #10
Fascism n/t bagimin Oct 2019 #11
Rachel has the NYT reporter on the phone - so does this mean they're trying to "lock up" UTUSN Oct 2019 #12
Next guest says he trusts DURHAM, that this "discordant" a contradiction between UTUSN Oct 2019 #15
He says DURHAM has handled similar requests before & didn't file charges on peeps, but UTUSN Oct 2019 #18
The next guest says he also thinks DURHAM is "a credible investigator", that UTUSN Oct 2019 #25
Well atreides1 Oct 2019 #36
Good point. UTUSN Oct 2019 #49
'...Originated from the clinton campaign.' Volaris Oct 2019 #69
This won't end well malaise Oct 2019 #13
I hope so bdamomma Oct 2019 #30
for who??? is the question mucifer Oct 2019 #34
Precisely. For whom? WheelWalker Oct 2019 #61
Intimidating witnesses? moondust Oct 2019 #14
tRump has throughout his dirty life wielded money and the legal Enoki33 Oct 2019 #16
He's weaponized the DOJ to go after his enemies. n/t cynatnite Oct 2019 #17
There goes our Democracy SlogginThroughIt Oct 2019 #19
He's setting up the Dems again - just as when he said the election was rigged before it happened. unitedwethrive Oct 2019 #20
There are 2 issues I am seeing here. Caliman73 Oct 2019 #21
They are all in. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #22
The NYT reporter made a good point that DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #23
Bring it on, bitch superpatriotman Oct 2019 #24
WHY is Barr still in his position? ecstatic Oct 2019 #26
Because he's Trump's Roy Cohn. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #40
Its a distraction to reverse the public opinion that has been building against Trump. ooky Oct 2019 #27
Interesting timing, too shanti Oct 2019 #37
Barr didn't put it out; the NYT found it. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #41
It is an outrageous pile of meat being thrown to the base. Hitler used to do that too, only applegrove Oct 2019 #46
Fox News needed something to talk loudly about to their audience. This is it. ooky Oct 2019 #62
Rachel's 3rd guest/post25/congressman: "Why no Repub leaks" positive to SHITLER? *are* none!1 UTUSN Oct 2019 #29
Can't wait for Barr to be indicted and convicted on multiple charges. democratisphere Oct 2019 #31
Start impeachment proceedings against Barr texasfiddler Oct 2019 #32
Now. At once. Ahora. dchill Oct 2019 #33
Absolutely. dalton99a Oct 2019 #43
Betcha they'll be going after Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #38
Absolutely. applegrove Oct 2019 #39
They already tried with McCabe Grand Jury wouldn't indict due to no evidence nt maryellen99 Oct 2019 #47
That wouldn't stop them from trying again. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #48
I don't think that's accurate....it's in limbo from what I can find. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #70
Thanks for clarifying nt maryellen99 Oct 2019 #71
This is weaponizing the DOJ. Same exact game plan as with Hillarys emails. bullimiami Oct 2019 #42
The old "Good defense is Good Offense" Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #44
So is this the White House's idea of Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #45
Another guest on Lawrence (plus on Rachel) saying they "know Durham" "honorable" but UTUSN Oct 2019 #50
Which he obviously is. Come on it's so obvious like having cold water thrown in your face. triron Oct 2019 #64
Just adding detail facets as the Wise Ones on tv come up with them. Am looking for hope. UTUSN Oct 2019 #66
Traitor. nt OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #51
Sounds like a nothing burger designed to feed suspicions of Dems going into the election yaesu Oct 2019 #55
Barr is likely making a mistake. Blue_true Oct 2019 #57
Please proceed, asshole. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #59
What about this? albacore Oct 2019 #60
This will backfire on Crinimal Barr. Iliyah Oct 2019 #63
We knew this was coming. herding cats Oct 2019 #65
These rat bastards will always cheat. ALWAYS. NCLefty Oct 2019 #67

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
54. Why, yes.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:42 PM
Oct 2019


Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General"

"At the center of the criticism is the chief artic­ulator of Bush's imperial presidency," we reported in 1992, "the man who wrote the legal rationale for the Gulf War, the Panama invasion, and the officially sanctioned kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad"

by FRANK SNEPP
The Village Voice, APRIL 18, 2019 / The Village Voice, October 27, 1992

“Attorney General William Barr is the Best Reason to Vote for Clinton”

Excerpt....

SON OF THE CIA

It was 21 years ago, in 1971, that I first encountered William Barr. Both of us were working for the CIA at the time, he as a novice China analyst, I as a member of the agency’s Vietnam task force. Jovial and un­assuming, he took his cues easily from an overly politicized office chief. It was a to­ken of things to come.

Three years before, we had brushed shoulders unknowingly on Columbia Uni­versity’s roiling campus. Both of us were on the other side of the barricades as antiwar demonstrations there blasted our genera­tion into a decade of rage. Barr, a conserva­tive student spokesman, preached tough­ness to the university administration, of which his father, then dean of the engineer­ing faculty, was a leading light. Years later, this same damn-the-torpedoes zeal would commend Barr to his ultimate father figure, George Bush. When Cuban refugees penned up at an Alabama prison rioted and took hostages in the summer of 1991, depu­ty attorney general Barr ordered the place stormed. Soon afterward, Bush tapped him for the attorney general slot itself.

Barr first met Bush in the CIA. In 1976, having shifted to the agency’s legislative office, he helped write the pap sheets that director Bush used to fend off the Pike and Church committees, the first real embodiments of Congressional oversight of the CIA. Intimates say the experience was for­mative for Barr, turning him into an impla­cable enemy of congressional intrusions on executive prerogative.

“The most radical period I had probably was when I was sort of a moderate Republi­can,” he later acknowledged. Sure enough, Barr stayed safe within conservative clutch­es even after leaving the agency in 1977. Armed with a night-school law diploma, he asked for — and got — Bush’s backing for a clerkship appointment to Malcolm Wilkey of the Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Years later, as attorney general, Barr would name Wilkey to investigate the House Banking scandal. Wilkey repayed the favor with a wrenchingly partisan in­quiry. Feeding the press overheated charges of wrongdoing, he scored points off the Democratic Congress just as the adminis­tration itself was being pilloried for its failed economics.

Source...

https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-is-the-best-reason-to-vote-for-clinton/

Feelings. Nothing more than feelings.
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
35. I don't think that's what's happening.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:03 PM
Oct 2019

I believe they are investigating Obama, members of his administration, Clinton, and members of the intelligence community.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
7. Been saying this from the beginning
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:19 PM
Oct 2019

Didn't he say Obama was killed, last weekend? Or some such?

This is a dangerous, dangerous mob.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
72. He "missppoke"
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:33 AM
Oct 2019

here you go:

SNIP:

My lord. Donald Trump would have made Sigmund Freud shart his brains down his breeches.

Yes, this was a … slip, of the Freudian variety. But, man, what a slip! And it arrives so soon after a Scottish fen full of “Obama could have been impeached” garble.

Trump on Obama: "They could impeach him for the guns for whatever where guns went all over the place and people got killed, Fast and Furious. They could've killed him -- they could've impeached him for many different things." The "they could've killed him" seemed to be a slip.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 22, 2019

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/21/1894195/-Trump-on-Obama-They-could-impeach-him-they-could-ve-killed-him


Response to cilla4progress (Reply #7)

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
8. It strikes me as a distraction to get Taylor's testimony off the front pages
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:23 PM
Oct 2019

and provide cover for Trump

UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
12. Rachel has the NYT reporter on the phone - so does this mean they're trying to "lock up"
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:25 PM
Oct 2019

somebody? Sounds like they're saying the CIA "set up" the FBI to open Russiagate investigation? Or is it COMEY they're going for? They keep saying that they're trying to claim planted information originated from the CLINTON campaign.

"Investigation" of the investigation of the investigation, wut?!1






UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
15. Next guest says he trusts DURHAM, that this "discordant" a contradiction between
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:28 PM
Oct 2019

the criminalization part vs DURHAM's being trustworthy.





UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
18. He says DURHAM has handled similar requests before & didn't file charges on peeps, but
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:32 PM
Oct 2019

that DURHAM's previous such events took ages. They NYT reporter said it could take 3 or so years. But this guest is saying this points to "politicizing" the DOJ.






UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
25. The next guest says he also thinks DURHAM is "a credible investigator", that
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:46 PM
Oct 2019

his different take is that this whole thing won't come down to anything, that any investigator wants subpoena power/grand jury to compel otherwise resistant witnesses.






Volaris

(10,272 posts)
69. '...Originated from the clinton campaign.'
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 12:52 AM
Oct 2019

Omg this is gonna be about the Steele dossier bwaHAhahahahhaa...

Oh yes let's PLEASE do discovery for THAT in front of a grand jury empaneled to issue criminal indictments haha...

FUCK they're dopes smdh...this will end up being Mueller Report 2.0.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
30. I hope so
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:53 PM
Oct 2019

looks like Barr is putting his head on the chopping block for tRump.

This is getting sickening he is always trying blame someone else. Who wants to rehash this all over again.

Russia did it. The facts and evidence prove it. Rachel is spreading too much time on this.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
16. tRump has throughout his dirty life wielded money and the legal
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:28 PM
Oct 2019

system as a weapon. Add to that the power of the presidency, coupled with his thirst for revenge against his perceived enemies and it is crystal clear that Barr is being willingly used for that insidious purpose. Barr is making a farce of justice.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
19. There goes our Democracy
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:36 PM
Oct 2019

The trumpers on my message board site have been jerking off about this for months.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
20. He's setting up the Dems again - just as when he said the election was rigged before it happened.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:37 PM
Oct 2019

Then, it was so that if he won, it would look strange for our side to say just that. In fact, all the talk of a rigged election did have a damping effect on everyone after the election. Now, he is forcing the Dems to have to cooperate with an "official" probe, and if our side gives any push back (which would be warranted in such a ridiculous inquiry), he will yell that "See...not cooperating is just what everyone does!"...and continue to obstruct the impeachment probe. And if the Dems do cooperate, Trump will see how far he can push it, including delving into far-flung, unrelated things.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
21. There are 2 issues I am seeing here.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:38 PM
Oct 2019

1 is the obvious abuse of power ala Nixon trying to get the IRS to go after his "enemies list" Trump is using the DOJ to intimidate agencies who wouldn't play ball an exonerate him.

2 Trump and Barr can't be stupid enough to think that they will find anything substantive from the FBI's investigation. They would be WAY more likely to uncover just how deep the rot is in the Trump sham organization and administration. They will likely lie and try to plant information to make the investigation into his real and obvious criminality seem dirty.

I am not a fan of the FBI and CIA throughout the history of the US. They have done some really shady things. In this case I don't think that Trump and Barr understand what they are getting themselves into. Neither the FBI nor the CIA will allow themselves to be dragged through the mud.

Should be interesting.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,504 posts)
22. They are all in.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:40 PM
Oct 2019

Trump, Barr, Geatz, Gowdy,McConnell, and a cast of anti-Constitutionalists. Wanna investigate Obama? Go for it. This is a bluff, that Barr can't cover.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
23. The NYT reporter made a good point that
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:45 PM
Oct 2019

if Durham doesn't investigate all these crazy conspiracy theories, whatever report he comes out with won't have any crediblity with the rwnjs.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
37. Interesting timing, too
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:08 PM
Oct 2019

When people are mourning Elijah Cummings, and not in session. I could see Trump telling Barr to put this out now.

applegrove

(118,683 posts)
46. It is an outrageous pile of meat being thrown to the base. Hitler used to do that too, only
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:30 PM
Oct 2019

he used real people.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
62. Fox News needed something to talk loudly about to their audience. This is it.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:51 PM
Oct 2019

With a generic "crime" to talk about, Hannity can make up all kinds of untrue shit to feed the sheep.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
70. I don't think that's accurate....it's in limbo from what I can find.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:26 AM
Oct 2019

I think Judge Walton gave the prosecutors until mid November to crap or get off the pot.

bullimiami

(13,099 posts)
42. This is weaponizing the DOJ. Same exact game plan as with Hillarys emails.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:23 PM
Oct 2019

Same game plan they were trying with Biden and Ukraine.

Fake investigations to use for propaganda.

Another corruption. Another log for the Impeachment fire.


UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
50. Another guest on Lawrence (plus on Rachel) saying they "know Durham" "honorable" but
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:35 PM
Oct 2019

this guest qualified it by saying his trust in DURHAM hinges on whether he alone is running things, not being directed by BARR/Shitler.






UTUSN

(70,708 posts)
66. Just adding detail facets as the Wise Ones on tv come up with them. Am looking for hope.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:31 PM
Oct 2019

The two experiential chunks they have put forth are:

1) Some/many grand juries (honest ones) result in no-bills, and

2) These things can take, like, *three* years.







yaesu

(8,020 posts)
55. Sounds like a nothing burger designed to feed suspicions of Dems going into the election
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:44 PM
Oct 2019

to counter the tRump impeachment.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
57. Barr is likely making a mistake.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:45 PM
Oct 2019

He may get the rightwing FBI agents onboard, but not the ones that believe their investigations should follow facts and leads.

albacore

(2,399 posts)
60. What about this?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:47 PM
Oct 2019

If Barr starts after CIA, NSA, and FBI figures, those people may leak/dump incriminating evidence about Barr, trump, and Graham. Or whoever.
You don't fuck with people like Clapper or Comey. Those guys - and their supporters in their organizations - have a LOT of intel on people.
We'll see....

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
63. This will backfire on Crinimal Barr.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:56 PM
Oct 2019

I pretty sure the IC's have enough information on Criminal Barr tucked away for safe keeping.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
65. We knew this was coming.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
Oct 2019

We've seen Barr scurrying around the globe trying to get backing for this farce.

Now we see if our democracy can withstand this blatant abuse of power and politicizing of our DOJ.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
67. These rat bastards will always cheat. ALWAYS.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:40 PM
Oct 2019

Because cheating translates directly to POWER--and therefore to MONEY.

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