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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumstRump wants to take Obama and Biden down...that's the point!
Barr is opening a criminal investigation into the DOJ's special investigation ran by their department.
The purpose is to show that it was the Obama administration that was trying to frame tRump and his ilk, which is like insane batshit crazy thinking.
I get why tRump wants to attempt to discredit the investigation.
But what gets me is if this is criminal, then who did the wrongdoing? Are they are going to attempt to hang it on Obama himself and the people that worked for him? Biden?
It hurts my brain thinking about this too much, but I can well imagine that as the campaign season heats up, tRump is going to scream Obama and Biden about all of this even if nothing comes of it.
Also, Durham(the guy that Barr hired) is coming across as a tRump yes-man from what little I've read and heard.
It's fucking insane. All of it.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)John Kerry was a decorated war hero and they used his service against him. Think of how a major criminal investigation will play in the media.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Soviet Union was famous for it.
Goddamit - they are in the minority. Why are they still in power??
blm
(113,065 posts)would be my bet.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)This is getting scary.
End game.
SterlingPound
(428 posts)and the CIA won't fight back because they are afraid that Barr might unclassified some stuff they still want to keep hidden? (as said on Maddow).
Only shows that if we are going to have a fresh start as a nation
We are going to need a new round of Church/Pike committees for all our alphabet agencies across the board in this nation.
The Right has brought Up this Notion of "the deep state", interfering with this nation well then they shouldn't object to open hearings for all our intelligence agencies under oath for all to see.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)1) Did you believe Hillary Clinton's e-mails were of any importance in 2016?
If YES, then Trump believes you are stupid enough to fall for this horseshit as the 2020 equivalent.
If NO, then you are likely bewildered like me and other sentient, non-brain damaged people.
2) Do you believe Trump "never lies", "is anointed by god", "is the greatest POTUS maybe ever"?
If YES, then these idiotic conspiracy theories are manna from heaven and you can't believe everyone is not with you.
If NO, then you are likely bewildered like me and other sentient, non-brain damaged people.
3) Do you allow right wing media to infect your brain all day online, on radio and on TV?
If YES, then you are beyond redemption and the world will be better when you leave it as a Darwin Award winner...
If NO, then you are likely bewildered like me and other sentient, non-brain damaged people.
napi21
(45,806 posts)few moderates I both parties outnumber the nutjobs. if DT is intent on going after Obama, I see a GREAT REVOLT in our future.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)President Obama. I'm worried for Vice President Biden and all the other Obama political appointees.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Trump's lawyers admitted that the protection from prosecution isn't perpetual.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)so this will too.
It appears to me that they are trying to turn the tables. What I'm wondering is how does the end game look or does it never end?
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)The biggest problem is the media gets played every time. The investigation doesnt have to even come up with fake evidence to hurt.
Obama has been mostly quiet. Its the dignified thing. If they actually go after him he might run out of fucks to give.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)going after Biden.
Yes, he will continue to try to discredit Obama and will even manufacture evidence to prove what he has always contendedthat the Rusher thing was a conspiracy the Obama administration mounted against him. But Obama has nothing to fear. Hes out of the loop and his legacy is secure
with those who count.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)In his fevered dreams, he wants to take down Obama, Biden and Hillary.
spanone
(135,844 posts)crazed
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)but then again tRump likes to take revenge on people. He can't go after Hilliary any longer.
We all can see how he's a cornered RAT!
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)The conversation gets changed at least for a little while.
Just read that a WH staffer is going to testify next week that there was a quid pro quo.
I also think tRump's desperate to take down Obama, Hillary and Biden any way he can, even if it's a lie.
blm
(113,065 posts)with implications that Obama directed them.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)He had hard data from the IC that russia was fucking with our electoral process. He went out of his own way to TELL GOP LEADERSHIP this was happening, and then bothered to ask them for their support regarding this ATTACK ON OUR NATION.
The GOP's response, in a nutshell, via mitch mcconnell, was as follows:
Fuck off, n****r. Were not gonna help you do SHIT, let alone defend america from our own treason HAHA.
Trump going after obama is about the most boneheaded thing he could do at this point...Constitutional Law Professor Obama will FUCKING DESTROY HIM. Discovery alone in this lawsuit would be history-making.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I don't get why Durham (who other prosecutors keep saying is honorable) is signing on to this, unless he thinks he can pretend to go along and actually bury the investigation.
But I think most non-cultists are going to figure out this is a way to try to handcuff law enforcement. Even most actual conservatives are going to resist the idea that the DOJ is going to prosecute the FBI and the CIA.
And this might actually get the somnolent FBI Wray and CIA Haspell to stand up for their agents. That would be cool.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)is pretty interesting. Both the CIA and the FBI you don't mess with, they are a brotherhood.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)How can he stay quiet when Trump has vilified Andrew McCabe, stolen his pension, and made his life hell?
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)In the private sector, when someone crossed him, he'd sue, forcing the other party to rack up expensive legal bills as punishment.
Same thing is happening here. This time DOJ/FBI/CIA employees will be investigated and will need to spend personal funds on expensive lawyers.