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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:20 PM Oct 2019

tRump wants to take Obama and Biden down...that's the point!

Barr is opening a criminal investigation into the DOJ's special investigation ran by their department.

The purpose is to show that it was the Obama administration that was trying to frame tRump and his ilk, which is like insane batshit crazy thinking.

I get why tRump wants to attempt to discredit the investigation.

But what gets me is if this is criminal, then who did the wrongdoing? Are they are going to attempt to hang it on Obama himself and the people that worked for him? Biden?

It hurts my brain thinking about this too much, but I can well imagine that as the campaign season heats up, tRump is going to scream Obama and Biden about all of this even if nothing comes of it.

Also, Durham(the guy that Barr hired) is coming across as a tRump yes-man from what little I've read and heard.

It's fucking insane. All of it.

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tRump wants to take Obama and Biden down...that's the point! (Original Post) cynatnite Oct 2019 OP
Think how a criminal investigation against top Democrats will play in an election year. Jim__ Oct 2019 #1
Yep. tRump is going to be railing about it. n/t cynatnite Oct 2019 #3
Totalitarian rewriting of history Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #2
Exactly. cilla4progress Oct 2019 #7
They manufactured evidence that plays into QAnon theories blm Oct 2019 #4
Obama has been the big prize all along. cilla4progress Oct 2019 #5
barr has the power to unclassifiy everything he wants across the board a power given from trump SterlingPound Oct 2019 #6
Here is a primer... Moostache Oct 2019 #8
I agree with you on those poits. I still believe there aren't that many "trumpers" left. Even the napi21 Oct 2019 #13
He can't take President Obama down because if Trump is above the law so is underthematrix Oct 2019 #9
You're in trouble if you're not a true blue tRumper in their eyes. n/t cynatnite Oct 2019 #10
Oh, no, not once you're out. I think even Ilsa Oct 2019 #11
And everything Trump touches turns to shit jimlup Oct 2019 #12
I understand the worries Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #14
Going after Obama does not keep Trump in power. He is taking out an insurance policy in emmaverybo Oct 2019 #16
tRump will get to change the conversation at least for a little while... cynatnite Oct 2019 #17
we have a bunch of conspiracy theorists in this travesty of an administration spanone Oct 2019 #15
It's a distraction bdamomma Oct 2019 #18
I think it's partly that... cynatnite Oct 2019 #19
I think I heard he's aiming for Strzok and Brennan blm Oct 2019 #20
Oh for fucks sake of course he directed them... Volaris Oct 2019 #25
I don't think this will win Trump any more votes. dawg day Oct 2019 #21
Your last sentence bdamomma Oct 2019 #23
I do not understand why Wray has been quiet while retired agents are being persecuted- dawg day Oct 2019 #24
It's also the equivalent of suing his enemies into bankruptcy. tinrobot Oct 2019 #22

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
1. Think how a criminal investigation against top Democrats will play in an election year.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:24 PM
Oct 2019

John Kerry was a decorated war hero and they used his service against him. Think of how a major criminal investigation will play in the media.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
7. Exactly.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:29 PM
Oct 2019

Soviet Union was famous for it.

Goddamit - they are in the minority. Why are they still in power??

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
6. barr has the power to unclassifiy everything he wants across the board a power given from trump
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:29 PM
Oct 2019

and the CIA won't fight back because they are afraid that Barr might unclassified some stuff they still want to keep hidden? (as said on Maddow).

Only shows that if we are going to have a fresh start as a nation
We are going to need a new round of Church/Pike committees for all our alphabet agencies across the board in this nation.

The Right has brought Up this Notion of "the deep state", interfering with this nation well then they shouldn't object to open hearings for all our intelligence agencies under oath for all to see.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
8. Here is a primer...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:31 PM
Oct 2019

1) Did you believe Hillary Clinton's e-mails were of any importance in 2016?

If YES, then Trump believes you are stupid enough to fall for this horseshit as the 2020 equivalent.
If NO, then you are likely bewildered like me and other sentient, non-brain damaged people.

2) Do you believe Trump "never lies", "is anointed by god", "is the greatest POTUS maybe ever"?

If YES, then these idiotic conspiracy theories are manna from heaven and you can't believe everyone is not with you.
If NO, then you are likely bewildered like me and other sentient, non-brain damaged people.

3) Do you allow right wing media to infect your brain all day online, on radio and on TV?

If YES, then you are beyond redemption and the world will be better when you leave it as a Darwin Award winner...
If NO, then you are likely bewildered like me and other sentient, non-brain damaged people.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
13. I agree with you on those poits. I still believe there aren't that many "trumpers" left. Even the
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:53 PM
Oct 2019

few moderates I both parties outnumber the nutjobs. if DT is intent on going after Obama, I see a GREAT REVOLT in our future.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
9. He can't take President Obama down because if Trump is above the law so is
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:34 PM
Oct 2019

President Obama. I'm worried for Vice President Biden and all the other Obama political appointees.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. Oh, no, not once you're out. I think even
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:39 PM
Oct 2019

Trump's lawyers admitted that the protection from prosecution isn't perpetual.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
12. And everything Trump touches turns to shit
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:44 PM
Oct 2019

so this will too.

It appears to me that they are trying to turn the tables. What I'm wondering is how does the end game look or does it never end?

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
14. I understand the worries
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:01 PM
Oct 2019

The biggest problem is the media gets played every time. The investigation doesn’t have to even come up with fake evidence to hurt.

Obama has been mostly quiet. It’s the dignified thing. If they actually go after him he might run out of fucks to give.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
16. Going after Obama does not keep Trump in power. He is taking out an insurance policy in
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:07 PM
Oct 2019

going after Biden.

Yes, he will continue to try to discredit Obama and will even manufacture “evidence” to prove what he has always contended—that the “Rusher thing” was a conspiracy the Obama administration mounted against him. But Obama has nothing to fear. He’s out of the loop and his legacy is secure
with those who count.


cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
17. tRump will get to change the conversation at least for a little while...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:09 PM
Oct 2019

In his fevered dreams, he wants to take down Obama, Biden and Hillary.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
18. It's a distraction
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:11 PM
Oct 2019

but then again tRump likes to take revenge on people. He can't go after Hilliary any longer.

We all can see how he's a cornered RAT!

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
19. I think it's partly that...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:13 PM
Oct 2019

The conversation gets changed at least for a little while.

Just read that a WH staffer is going to testify next week that there was a quid pro quo.

I also think tRump's desperate to take down Obama, Hillary and Biden any way he can, even if it's a lie.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
25. Oh for fucks sake of course he directed them...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:58 PM
Oct 2019

He had hard data from the IC that russia was fucking with our electoral process. He went out of his own way to TELL GOP LEADERSHIP this was happening, and then bothered to ask them for their support regarding this ATTACK ON OUR NATION.

The GOP's response, in a nutshell, via mitch mcconnell, was as follows:

Fuck off, n****r. Were not gonna help you do SHIT, let alone defend america from our own treason HAHA.

Trump going after obama is about the most boneheaded thing he could do at this point...Constitutional Law Professor Obama will FUCKING DESTROY HIM. Discovery alone in this lawsuit would be history-making.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
21. I don't think this will win Trump any more votes.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:18 PM
Oct 2019

I don't get why Durham (who other prosecutors keep saying is honorable) is signing on to this, unless he thinks he can pretend to go along and actually bury the investigation.

But I think most non-cultists are going to figure out this is a way to try to handcuff law enforcement. Even most actual conservatives are going to resist the idea that the DOJ is going to prosecute the FBI and the CIA.

And this might actually get the somnolent FBI Wray and CIA Haspell to stand up for their agents. That would be cool.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
23. Your last sentence
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:26 PM
Oct 2019

is pretty interesting. Both the CIA and the FBI you don't mess with, they are a brotherhood.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
24. I do not understand why Wray has been quiet while retired agents are being persecuted-
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:19 PM
Oct 2019

How can he stay quiet when Trump has vilified Andrew McCabe, stolen his pension, and made his life hell?

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
22. It's also the equivalent of suing his enemies into bankruptcy.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:25 PM
Oct 2019

In the private sector, when someone crossed him, he'd sue, forcing the other party to rack up expensive legal bills as punishment.

Same thing is happening here. This time DOJ/FBI/CIA employees will be investigated and will need to spend personal funds on expensive lawyers.

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