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The Chameleon of the Senate, Lindsey Graham, put forth a resolution yesterday, to de-legitimize the impeachment process going on in the House. Not yet known is whether he was persuaded to do so by Donald Trump? After all, it would be good to know where you stand if a vote is called for in the Senate.
He lost seven votes on his resolution. That means if there was a vote today, the vote might be 54-46 to convict? That would not be enough to remove him from the White House but it would probably remove most of the calls for "exoneration". Trump needs almost all Republicans to vote for him. Otherwise, he will appear guilty, even if they do not get the 67 votes needed to remove.
If other Senators decide to join the seven "traitors", then the White House would begin to get very nervous.
This may be the direction we are headed?
gordianot
(15,238 posts)As long as you have biker gangs, military, and police who gives a s#^t how the Senate votes? Lose an election that is voter fraud. Court rulings mean nothing.
This is not courting Fascism it is the real deal.
Aristus
(66,381 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)In addition to the 7 "traitors", there are 3 repub senators that are retiring and may give trump the finger on the way out, and then there are 30 republican senators that are not up for re-election until 2022 or 2024 so they can vote what they want since they don't have to fear trumpy magats in next year's election. While we don't know who is going to do what (they are repugs after all) there are 40ish repub senators that maybe we should start watching...
TheRickles
(2,065 posts)Can't find info on who there seven were - would appreciate the list. Thanks!
kentuck
(111,101 posts)Also, I think Gardner (CO) and Collins (ME) did not go along with the resolution.
catbyte
(34,402 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Goodheart
(5,325 posts)Was there a vote? I can't find a link anywhere.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I thought the split was between co-sponsors and Republican Senators who balked at co-sponsoring. If that's the case, than the hold outs on co-sponsiring seem to be as of 4:45 yesterday afternoon:
Facing tough 2020 re-election campaign: Susan Collins (Maine) and Cory Gardner (Colo.)
Retiring: Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.) and Mike Enzi (Wyo.)
Other: Sens. Mitt Romney (Utah), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Dan Sullivan (Alaska) and Rob Portman (Ohio).
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)If he can't get a simple majority to change the existing Senate impeachment rules, they would have to handle it like they did Clinton. That wouldn't be good for any GOPer.
True Blue American
(17,985 posts)Lindsey just presented it, but I do not have a lot of faith in any Republican.
kentuck
(111,101 posts)This was how Lindsey chose to do it?
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)ETA: Or may be more accurate to refer to it as a loyalty test
True Blue American
(17,985 posts)That is what Bill Barr is doing right now. Going after Trumps Enemies list. The same thing that was done for Nixon.
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)until it's not. So yes this is good news at present.
It's a sign that 7 GOP Senators do not want to delegitimize the impeachment process, which is to say, the Constitution.
And Democrats and the media should be framing the vote in exactly those stark terms.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)kentuck
(111,101 posts)...but Trump would see it as a vote against him. He would call them "traitors".
Give him enough time and he will divide the Senate right down the middle. "His people" vs "the traitors".
True Blue American
(17,985 posts)Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)Just as likely to have a D like Manchin not vote to convict as there is of having an R vote to convict.
onenote
(42,714 posts)the "sole" power of impeachment.
Can you imagine what the repub reaction would be if, in the midst of an impeachment trial in the Senate (which has "sole" power over such trials), the House passed a resolution criticizing how the Senate is conducting the trial. Lindsay Graham's head would explode.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Martha McSally (R-AZ) needs to think long and hard about where she stands. Not to overstate the case, but as things stand today, her opponent, Mark Kelly, could well kick her ass to the moon and back in November.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)threatening to unleash the trove of blackmail information given to him from Putin to control the GOP. A lot of dynamics involved. The republicans who can manage to CYA are the ones coming over, IMO.