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kentuck

(111,101 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 07:21 AM Oct 2019

Seven "traitors" in the Senate?

The Chameleon of the Senate, Lindsey Graham, put forth a resolution yesterday, to de-legitimize the impeachment process going on in the House. Not yet known is whether he was persuaded to do so by Donald Trump? After all, it would be good to know where you stand if a vote is called for in the Senate.

He lost seven votes on his resolution. That means if there was a vote today, the vote might be 54-46 to convict? That would not be enough to remove him from the White House but it would probably remove most of the calls for "exoneration". Trump needs almost all Republicans to vote for him. Otherwise, he will appear guilty, even if they do not get the 67 votes needed to remove.

If other Senators decide to join the seven "traitors", then the White House would begin to get very nervous.

This may be the direction we are headed?

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Seven "traitors" in the Senate? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2019 OP
At this point I suspect Trump would stay if he got one vote in the Senate. gordianot Oct 2019 #1
Not to mention cowboys, mountain men, and men who can do violence. Aristus Oct 2019 #22
You might be right, it does look like it is very very slowly going in that direction.... FM123 Oct 2019 #2
Who were they? TheRickles Oct 2019 #3
Mitt Romney was one and Murkowski was another. kentuck Oct 2019 #4
Neither did Lamar Alexander (TN) catbyte Oct 2019 #9
Here's where I think the Senate is with this Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #8
What do you mean, "he lost seven votes on his resolution"? Goodheart Oct 2019 #5
See my reply below. I think it's still in referral to committee stage. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #7
Did they vote on it? I thought it was in referral to the Committee on Rules and Administration. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #6
Strong group, possible they would block Moscow Mitch shenanigans bigbrother05 Oct 2019 #10
No vote, True Blue American Oct 2019 #14
My hunch is that Trump wanted Lindsey to find out how many votes he has in the Senate? kentuck Oct 2019 #16
I think that's a good hunch. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a litmus test. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #18
Loyalty test is right. True Blue American Oct 2019 #19
Momentum is momentum bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #11
The process propaganda resolution easier to vote against than to vote for conviction. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #12
You may be right about that.. kentuck Oct 2019 #13
Scum. True Blue American Oct 2019 #15
Yep Cosmocat Oct 2019 #17
All this tells me is that 7 Republicans respect the Constitutional provision giving the House onenote Oct 2019 #20
Kick and Rec Mike 03 Oct 2019 #21
Trump is probably close to Baked Potato Oct 2019 #23

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
1. At this point I suspect Trump would stay if he got one vote in the Senate.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 07:40 AM
Oct 2019

As long as you have biker gangs, military, and police who gives a s#^t how the Senate votes? Lose an election that is voter fraud. Court rulings mean nothing.

This is not courting Fascism it is the real deal.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
2. You might be right, it does look like it is very very slowly going in that direction....
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:01 AM
Oct 2019

In addition to the 7 "traitors", there are 3 repub senators that are retiring and may give trump the finger on the way out, and then there are 30 republican senators that are not up for re-election until 2022 or 2024 so they can vote what they want since they don't have to fear trumpy magats in next year's election. While we don't know who is going to do what (they are repugs after all) there are 40ish repub senators that maybe we should start watching...

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
4. Mitt Romney was one and Murkowski was another.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:45 AM
Oct 2019

Also, I think Gardner (CO) and Collins (ME) did not go along with the resolution.

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
5. What do you mean, "he lost seven votes on his resolution"?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:52 AM
Oct 2019

Was there a vote? I can't find a link anywhere.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
6. Did they vote on it? I thought it was in referral to the Committee on Rules and Administration.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:55 AM
Oct 2019

I thought the split was between co-sponsors and Republican Senators who balked at co-sponsoring. If that's the case, than the hold outs on co-sponsiring seem to be as of 4:45 yesterday afternoon:

Facing tough 2020 re-election campaign: Susan Collins (Maine) and Cory Gardner (Colo.)
Retiring: Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.) and Mike Enzi (Wyo.)
Other: Sens. Mitt Romney (Utah), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Dan Sullivan (Alaska) and Rob Portman (Ohio).

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
10. Strong group, possible they would block Moscow Mitch shenanigans
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:21 AM
Oct 2019

If he can't get a simple majority to change the existing Senate impeachment rules, they would have to handle it like they did Clinton. That wouldn't be good for any GOPer.

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
16. My hunch is that Trump wanted Lindsey to find out how many votes he has in the Senate?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:58 AM
Oct 2019

This was how Lindsey chose to do it?

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
18. I think that's a good hunch. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a litmus test.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:25 AM
Oct 2019

ETA: Or may be more accurate to refer to it as a loyalty test

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
19. Loyalty test is right.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:49 AM
Oct 2019

That is what Bill Barr is doing right now. Going after Trump’s Enemies list. The same thing that was done for Nixon.

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
11. Momentum is momentum
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:40 AM
Oct 2019

until it's not. So yes this is good news at present.

It's a sign that 7 GOP Senators do not want to delegitimize the impeachment process, which is to say, the Constitution.

And Democrats and the media should be framing the vote in exactly those stark terms.

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
13. You may be right about that..
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:47 AM
Oct 2019

...but Trump would see it as a vote against him. He would call them "traitors".

Give him enough time and he will divide the Senate right down the middle. "His people" vs "the traitors".

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
17. Yep
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:23 AM
Oct 2019

Just as likely to have a D like Manchin not vote to convict as there is of having an R vote to convict.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
20. All this tells me is that 7 Republicans respect the Constitutional provision giving the House
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:53 AM
Oct 2019

the "sole" power of impeachment.

Can you imagine what the repub reaction would be if, in the midst of an impeachment trial in the Senate (which has "sole" power over such trials), the House passed a resolution criticizing how the Senate is conducting the trial. Lindsay Graham's head would explode.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
21. Kick and Rec
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

Martha McSally (R-AZ) needs to think long and hard about where she stands. Not to overstate the case, but as things stand today, her opponent, Mark Kelly, could well kick her ass to the moon and back in November.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
23. Trump is probably close to
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 01:42 PM
Oct 2019

threatening to unleash the trove of blackmail information given to him from Putin to control the GOP. A lot of dynamics involved. The republicans who can manage to CYA are the ones coming over, IMO.

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