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Malcolm Nance ✔ @MalcolmNance
WARNING: I heard a DC rumor fm a close Trump source in May 2017 he wanted to charge Obama, Biden, Brennen & Clinton w/treason over Russia. Now with Barr as AG this may be crazy but viable. It could incite civil unrest...the ultimate distraction to help steal an election. #Standby
Barbara Malmet @ B52Malmet
This is the next level bs conspiracy theory Barr is gonna now sell to the American people- that it was the Obama administration which set up the whole Russia thing - they want to hang this on OBAMA. Barr going around the world trying to get other countries to back this up.
8:14 AM - Oct 25, 2019
Botany
(70,516 posts)Sending Butina back to Russia.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212620784
DOJ inquiry into origins of Russia investigation has shifted to criminal probe
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/24/doj-inquiry-into-russia-investigation-shifts-criminal-probe/4091645002/
If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell
― Carl Sandburg
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)those who cling to the "Constitution", carry it in miniature, and then take a dump on America when it is financially or politically beneficial to them.
aggiesal
(8,918 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)These traitors will face the death penalty if they lose. Moscow Mitch will never give up.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)He wanted a public accusation against Biden from Ukraine -- any dirt, made-up or otherwise, was secondary.
Having failed to get that, he's got Barr pulling this. There'll be lots of headlines for lots of months, and at least some people will believe it.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)dump wanna lose this election???
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)(ie. the deplorables) will like it.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)Republicans have been stealing votes one way or another for years. Just Google the 2004 race for Bush and the Diebold machines. Voting machines are easily hacked, AND they are programmed by the manufacturer. The CEOs of some manufacturers are long-time Republican donors. Not hard to imagine a thumb on the scale in some races. 2020 will be one of those.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Captain Zero
(6,811 posts)Need the Dem to have 5% less votes for your boy to win ?
Just have the software owners move 5% of the Dem vote into TG's column.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Fintan OToole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
Babies in cages were no mistake by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism
Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 05:00
by Fintan OToole
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
Fascism doesnt arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.
One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections weve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities. Fascism does not need a majority it typically comes to power with about 40 per cent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesnt matter if most people hate you, as long as your 40 per cent is fanatically committed. Thats been tested out too. And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of alternative facts impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.
triron
(22,007 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)I know this already, but he and Malcolm Nance still scare the crap out of me.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)it's all fun and games until the shit actually hits the fan.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)HIS BASE has the vast majority of civilian weaponry in this country, and he is giving them tacit permission.
Just as an example: when a domestic terrorist opens fire on a gay dance club, that terrorist is outnumbered by peaceful people many times over, but they are still all dead at the end.
Trump approves of violence in his name. If an insurrection starts it will be among "his people." They will lose in the end, but in the meantime a lot of the rest of us will die.
FM123
(10,053 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)kentuck
(111,103 posts)The Justice Dept is part of the Executive Branch. Maybe it is time for Mr Barr to appear before the House Intel Committee and explain himself. It can be closed door, open door, or in a hot air balloon. It doesn't matter. If he doesn't volunteer to come, subpoena him. He is still under the oversight of the US Congress.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)there would definitely be civil unrest. Because I'd fly to Washington and chain myself to the White House fence or something.
sop
(10,193 posts)This is just more of Trump's projection. He knows he'll probably be arrested after he leaves office, so Trump is trying to preemptively do the same thing to Obama, so he can argue his arrest is just political payback.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)Read your constitution, buddy.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)to protect the country from foreign influence in elections. Goes with the office. Clear as day.
durablend
(7,460 posts)Right before he wiped his ass with it and flushed.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)I'm too old to do much else if it reaches that point.
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)TrogL
(32,822 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)probably set in Washington DC. No jury would indict any of these people especially with little evidence of wrongdoing.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)failed. That was the rumor a month or so ago. Then Comey was essentially exonerated except for some "harsh words" for leaking his memos. Or maybe it was McCabe.
I know things are very, very bad, but I'm skeptical about Nance's "warning." We have enough to worry about right now without worrying that President Obama is going to be indicted for treason.
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)... by the entire country.
OK Malcolm Nance, maybe you're hearing this but I don't believe it would ever happen.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)Trump will do ANYTHING to benefit himself. He has proven time and again that he has no conscience. No moral compass. He has said that the ONLY thing he cares about is "winning" and he has acted that way as well.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Trump's call wasn't just about drumming up dirt on BIden, it was about exonerating Russia for 2016 election interference. If they can make a case that there's any "there" there, then it could, maybe, turn public opinion about the impeachment inquiry
Otherwise why did Barr SUDDENLY decide this Russia investigation-origin story was top priority at the exact same time that the impeachment inquiry witnesses stories were shocking the nation?
It's both a distraction and an attempt to stop the impeachment process, which is otherwise all but assured.
It's a hail Mary.
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)Russia gets their sanctions lifted. THIS is what Russia wants above all.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)1. False charges against "liberal" icons.
2. Civil unrest.
3. Martial law.
4. Elections suspended.
They could try it. It's not totally in territory.
VMA131Marine
(4,140 posts)The only thing that would stop them is the GOP Senate finally growing a spine.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Ya think that could be a problem?
SKKY
(11,811 posts)If Trump could have indicted Obama, he would have already. There's nothing to indict him on because, unlike 45, Obama did nothing illegal, unethical, or even slightly untoward.
aggiesal
(8,918 posts)Indictments, Convictions & Prison Sentences by administrations
This is after 2 years, and doesn't include Muellers' findings.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)Among his crimes: 200 to 250,000 Guatemalan indigenous people killed during Iran-Contra!
panfluteman
(2,065 posts)We ain't out of the woods yet, folks. The Trump gang ain't gonna give up without one heckuva fight. We can't rest on our laurels until Don the Con is locked away in his orange jump suit, or he's on that one way plane trip to Moscow.
Totally agree. We are on a precipice & could topple either way.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)like Guiliani to cover up and place blame on the Obama administration.
We have a very sick regime in abuse of power, when is this going to end.
Just get them out.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)It CAN happen here.
catbyte
(34,403 posts)I wasn't in a financial position to even consider bailing, but I am now. I can't believe it's gone this far and gotten so bad that I'm seriously considering it.
dhill926
(16,344 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)
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nini
(16,672 posts)but I'm sure that will be spun some way.
Jesus... let me off this freaking roller coaster. I'm too old for this shit.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)and I potentially no longer look like a lunatic by saying that trump is angling to outright cancel the election through a national emergency declaration. trump is going to try and outlaw opposition, namely the democratic party, and he is going to succeed at it. Either the elections will be cancelled or he will end up the only candidate for president, and only members of the republican party will be allowed to run. Most will sit back with a wait and see attitude, some will see the situation for what it is will understand it and will take whatever action they need right now to protect themselves. Friends, not to be fatalistic, but the republic has already fallen.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Who followed procedures pertaining to openness, notes and documentation, Its Obama.
It would be a show of exonerating testimony from all witnesses.
They cannot have a Drumhead where everyone has their lives dissected in the hope of finding anything at all.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)So he wouldnt bias the election.
Now Trump deliberately invents this crap to bias the election.
Irony is getting to be such a worn out word nowadays.
dottie66
(59 posts)There may an October 2020 surprise with FBI raids, indictments, and maybe even arrests. This move could tip a close election over to Trump.
oasis
(49,389 posts)IndyOp
(15,524 posts)keep up and feeling extremely overloaded - who the fuck is who and has everybody been doing this for decades and it is just now coming to light?
Edited to add the above are thoughts of someone who does not know what to believe - not mine.