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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:26 AM Oct 2019

"In America's long history, Trump appears to be the president most deserving of impeachment..."

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October 25, 2019

By David Leonhardt

Opinion Columnist

The founders used broad language when they described the grounds for impeachment — the famous “high crimes and misdemeanors.” The generality of the term ensured that impeachment would be a political process, rather than a technical or purely legal one. There is no specific definition of an impeachable crime, in the way that there is a definition of robbery, assault or embezzlement.

But the founders did leave some pretty strong evidence for what kinds of offenses they were imagining. And President Trump — by seeking foreign interference in domestic politics, for personal gain — has come closer to committing those particular offenses than any president before him. He has outdone Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, who were impeached, and Richard Nixon, who would have been had he not resigned.

As the legal scholars Jean Galbraith and Michel Paradis wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed this week:

When draft­ing the Con­sti­tution’s Im­peach­ment Clause, the Framers had a spe­cific his­tor­i­cal episode in mind. In 1649 the Eng­lish House of Com­mons im­peached King Charles I for trea­son. Charles was alleged to have un­law­fully sub­verted Eng­lish democ­racy, and the fi­nal ar­ti­cle of im­peach­ment charged that he col­luded with Eng­land’s for­eign ad­ver­saries in his cam­paign against his do­mes­tic polit­ical ri­vals …


Dur­ing the Con­sti­tu­tional Con­ven­tion, Ben­jamin Frank­lin cited this ex­am­ple “of a first Mag­is­trate being for­mally brought to pub­lic Jus­tice” as rea­son to include an im­peach­ment clause in the Constitution. James Madi­son agreed, not­ing the need “for de­fending the Com­mu­nity against the incapac­ity, neg­li­gence or per­fidy of the chief Mag­is­trate,” who “might be­tray his trust to for­eign powers.”


In America’s long history, Trump appears to be the president most deserving of impeachment as the founders envisioned it. Congratulations, Mr. President.

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"In America's long history, Trump appears to be the president most deserving of impeachment..." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
Constitutionally the grounds for Trump's impeachment and conviction are solid Buckeyeblue Oct 2019 #1
He has set a precedent for corruption and treasonous activity. kentuck Oct 2019 #2

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
1. Constitutionally the grounds for Trump's impeachment and conviction are solid
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:37 AM
Oct 2019

They align strongly with the framer's intent, which is a constitutional position many Republicans take. I'd like to hear Rand Paul's take on this. He ties to pass himself off as a constitutional purest, so I would think he would be taking this quite seriously.

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
2. He has set a precedent for corruption and treasonous activity.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:43 AM
Oct 2019

Because it doesn't match up with most of our known history, it makes it more difficult to bring it into focus.

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